why don't they actually do something good and take Dreamweb to theatres?

It would work better than many movies based on popular games, and what's more important, it would work even for non-gamers.

When i heard that the Doom movie would be about an alien invasion of some earth base i just lost faith in any possibility of hollywood making a decent game to movie adaptation.

When they actually take a game in which the plot is thinner than most of the big budget action movies, thus making it a straight adaptation shoe-in, strip everything but the name and make it even more bland than it was to begin with, you know they've hit rock bottom.

I heard Nintendo was thinking about making a movie on their own, without any studio input. More power to them, though i'm sure it'll suck hard.

I guess games just haven't been around long enough and reached a point in which they can be considered the 8th art as the movies came to be the 7th. Maybe in a couple of decades they'll get more respect.

You don't see books being completly butchered and re-written from scratch for a movie adaptation in the same level as they do games now do you?


Gives us a kiss precious.

> When i heard that the Doom movie would be about an alien invasion of some earth
> base i just lost faith in any possibility of hollywood making a decent game to
> movie adaptation.

Of course they strip down every video game and make it into something else, because, well, a game like doom had all of a paragraph of story.


> I guess games just haven't been around long enough and reached a point in which
> they can be considered the 8th art as the movies came to be the 7th. Maybe in a
> couple of decades they'll get more respect.

I believe they can be considered an art. Maybe they don't have the respect of other art forms, but whatever. But that doesn't have anything to do with the movie industry. The Hollywood system has been butchering other art forms for years, why would video games be any different?

The difference is - VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKING STUPID. And don't gimme any of that bullshit about Oooh - Final Fantasy XXXIVIXIXICIXIXIVIXIXIVIXCCC had such a great character arc. They're fucking idiotic. They're fucking comic book's retarded cousins.

Oh sure, you've got games like Metal Gear that have some semblance of moving along like a movie that do pretty good. I mean, they've got horribly bad Japanese dialogue, but they're getting close.

I'm sure there are others, but I forget. At any rate, they only make half ass movies at this point. Maybe some day production value will lean more towards an movie-like experience, but at what point do you quit being a game and become a movie? So whatever.

p.s. Hollywood - Quit it!


> You don't see books being completly butchered and re-written from scratch for a
> movie adaptation in the same level as they do games now do you?

Of course you do. I would consider it worse, actually. When a writer writes something, they have a point in mind- something that they want to communicate. They're not game developers writing a paragraph of story on the inside of a game manual so it seems like their game has some backstory.

So, when books are butchered (and 99.9% of them are), it's more of an affront because someone actually THOUGHT about the words going down on the page.

Okay, so maybe all that's over the top, but still. Video games are fucking stupid. They're about PLAYING, not translating to movies.

CSP

Hell, i agree with you, most game plots have 2 paragraphs worth of story, but the same can be said for a great deal of movies, so my point is, why change something that sucks to something that also sucks just as much?

And there's plenty of games out there that don't have much in the story department, but they have plenty do be developed from.

Point is, Hollywood execs are retards and should be shot at sunrise.


Gives us a kiss precious.

most games doesn't translate well into movies, that's a fact, i would even dare to say that there isn't a game with a plot deep enough to translate into a movie, but then again, the games were made to be PLAYED not watched (which is 90% of the reason why i hate RPG's, but that's another story).

They should actually just forget about the whole game->movie translating and start writing directly to the big screen, because THAT works, taking someone else's shitty paragraph long story and making it into a 1:30 shitty paragraph deep plot SUCKS..

but hollywood execs sucks, and they should be

SHOT AT SUNRISE


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> You don't see books being completly butchered and re-written from scratch for a
> movie adaptation in the same level as they do games now do you?

Is that sarcasm? ;-)

I:Robot had a few of the ideas from the books, but wasn't really anything like it. I laughed when I saw that they are selling Asimov's book with Will Smith on the cover. Running Man was almost entirely different from the Stephen King book. Both very enjoyable films, but different from the books. Maybe I could think of more examples if I tried. Agreed, probably none would be on the same level as Super Mario Bros The Movie. The thing is that you sometimes get films that end up better than the books - but I don't think that's happened with a game yet.

I'm interested - what are Arts No's 1 - 6? Presumably, painting, sculpture and music are there near the top?

> Hell, i agree with you, most game plots have 2 paragraphs worth of story, but
> the same can be said for a great deal of movies, so my point is, why change
> something that sucks to something that also sucks just as much?

Name recognition = free advertising. Fanboys will go see it just because.


> Point is, Hollywood execs are retards and should be shot at sunrise.

Last I checked, they're making tons of dough on scripts that I could write while taking my morning shit, so I guess if your focus is money...

CSP

> > Hell, i agree with you, most game plots have 2 paragraphs worth of story, but
> > the same can be said for a great deal of movies, so my point is, why change
> > something that sucks to something that also sucks just as much?
>
> Name recognition = free advertising. Fanboys will go see it just because.
>
>
The story they came up with to slap together with the name is even more lame than the actual "story" of the game.


> > Point is, Hollywood execs are retards and should be shot at sunrise.
>
> Last I checked, they're making tons of dough on scripts that I could write while
> taking my morning shit, so I guess if your focus is money...
>
Yes, i'm talking more about the sense of the artform, not the market value.


Gives us a kiss precious.

> The story they came up with to slap together with the name is even more lame
> than the actual "story" of the game.

It's probably a little easier to maintain a "good" story over the space of one page of a game manual as opposed to a several hundred page script.

CSP

> > The story they came up with to slap together with the name is even more lame
> > than the actual "story" of the game.
>
> It's probably a little easier to maintain a "good" story over the space of one
> page of a game manual as opposed to a several hundred page script.
>
> CSP
>
How's: -Guy goes to space station looking for his lost sister and has to survive and alien invasion.

Better than: -guy goes to space station where teleportation research opens a portal to hell and he has to survive a demonic invasion.

It's the same piece of shit, why even bother changing?




Gives us a kiss precious.

> How's: -Guy goes to space station looking for his lost sister and has to survive
> and alien invasion.
>
> Better than: -guy goes to space station where teleportation research opens a
> portal to hell and he has to survive a demonic invasion.
>
> It's the same piece of shit, why even bother changing?


I know they both suck, but imagine 1 1/2 hours of fighting demons. You know? You have to roll in a reason, quirky sidekicks, etc. to make it seem more legit.

CSP

> Hell, i agree with you, most game plots have 2 paragraphs worth of story, but
> the same can be said for a great deal of movies, so my point is, why change
> something that sucks to something that also sucks just as much?
>
> And there's plenty of games out there that don't have much in the story
> department, but they have plenty do be developed from.

The point of my post was that actually there are games worth a movie conversion, and those are the games having a well developed plot and based on storytelling rather than on fragging enemies. Dreamweb is one of these, it's not better than many adventures released at the time gameplay-wise, but sure the story behind it deserves some attention and is not just made to fill one page of the instruction manual (which was actually a booklet called "Diary of a Madman", and was a recording of Ryan's thoughts, visions, etc.)

I am sure there are more games like these, I love Doom and other meaning less games but it's not the only possible form of gaming.

> Point is, Hollywood execs are retards and should be shot at sunrise.

They want to make money, and they do. Few give a shit about actually putting out good stuff. But what the hell, we all know it.

> The point of my post was that actually there are games worth a movie conversion,
> and those are the games having a well developed plot and based on storytelling
> rather than on fragging enemies. Dreamweb is one of these, it's not better than
> many adventures released at the time gameplay-wise, but sure the story behind it
> deserves some attention and is not just made to fill one page of the instruction
> manual (which was actually a booklet called "Diary of a Madman", and was a
> recording of Ryan's thoughts, visions, etc.)

You run into much the same problem as adapting a book. Except adapting a game is more difficult. The medium is different, and it cannot ever be the same as the original. You probably can find some games with good premises (premise!) and plots, but you'll never have the same experience. To that end, what's the point? Anything that is done movie wise can't live up to the game because it's making apples from oranges.

Not to mention the fact that most games are laid out very badly, movie wise. What makes for an exciting and intricate game won't make for a good movie, again because of differences.


> They want to make money, and they do. Few give a shit about actually putting out
> good stuff. But what the hell, we all know it.


I would question a game adaptation EVER being "good stuff". 99.9% of games simply aren't good movies. Good games, sure. But you can't expect a game to have the same emotional impact, influences, and symbolism which makes a good movie. Game designers just aren't that good, even in this day and age when the technology is present to make that type of game.

Give me an original screenplay any day.

CSP

> > How's: -Guy goes to space station looking for his lost sister and has to
> survive
> > and alien invasion.
> >
> > Better than: -guy goes to space station where teleportation research opens a
> > portal to hell and he has to survive a demonic invasion.
> >
> > It's the same piece of shit, why even bother changing?
>
>
> I know they both suck, but imagine 1 1/2 hours of fighting demons. You know? You
> have to roll in a reason, quirky sidekicks, etc. to make it seem more legit.
>
> CSP
>



Gives us a kiss precious.

> > > How's: -Guy goes to space station looking for his lost sister and has to
> > survive
> > > and alien invasion.
> > >
> > > Better than: -guy goes to space station where teleportation research opens a
> > > portal to hell and he has to survive a demonic invasion.
> > >
> > > It's the same piece of shit, why even bother changing?
> >
> >
> > I know they both suck, but imagine 1 1/2 hours of fighting demons. You know?
> You
> > have to roll in a reason, quirky sidekicks, etc. to make it seem more legit.
> >
> > CSP
> >
>
>
>
> Gives us a kiss precious.
>


CSP

> How's: -Guy goes to space station looking for his lost sister and has to
> survive and alien invasion.
>
> Better than: -guy goes to space station where teleportation research opens a
> portal to hell and he has to survive a demonic invasion.
>
> It's the same piece of shit, why even bother changing?

Because with the first one the guy has more chances of bringing his girlfriend/wife/feminine-role thing. You know, identification and stuff. Better be some sensible tough guy looking for his sister (to which the SO identifies) than some crazy fuck that sees demons and starts shooting.

I just made a wild guess but the more I read it the more sense it makes :)



[download a life]

> Of course they strip down every video game and make it into something else,
> because, well, a game like doom had all of a paragraph of story.

Which is why you gotta ask WHY they are making a movie. It's DESTINED to suck and not "live up to the game"

> > Of course they strip down every video game and make it into something else,
> > because, well, a game like doom had all of a paragraph of story.
>
> Which is why you gotta ask WHY they are making a movie. It's DESTINED to suck
> and not "live up to the game"


Cause people know the name Doom, sillypants. Think of the fanboy support. Those morons will go see it just because.


CSP

> Cause people know the name Doom, sillypants. Think of the fanboy support. Those
> morons will go see it just because.

You'd think with the name, in the long run this is just going to pollute the opinion of game -> movies, and they'll just lose their hot source of revenue. With all the bad publicity this movie's getting, without being out of the starting gate, you'd think nobody would even bother to see it. I know I won't.

And wouldn't they attract just as many people without the name? Or is it just a horrible script and they don't think anyone would see the movie if it weren't for the name? I have to wonder if people would be as disappointed with the movie if they didn't call it "Doom," maybe in its own right it would have been a better story if it didn't have the stigma of trying to be like Doom on its back.