> If you're implying that I'd share your opinion if I was a parent, I'm sorry
> you're wrong.
No, I'm implying that you have none of the necessary experience to venture an opinion in line with what you would think if you were in that position. Hell, I only have 4.5 of 13 years, so my viewpoint may change. And don't gimme any of this "I'm going to let my kid watch R rated movies and swear in the house and blah blah blah"... That's what people say before they have kids and actually have some time to think about it. That's what I said before I had one.
> You're bullshitting here. I said none of this, we were talking of a 13 years old
> hearing the word "fuck" in a song, I think he can cope with it without having
> his life ruined, or even just being shocked. It's not a different "fuck" than
> the one he hears with buddies, a song won't expose a kid more than seeing a
> friend. Which is not a good reason to prevent a kid from seeing swearing
> friends, or sue their parents.
> Your kid's world at the moment is Bambi, and it's more than ok that you teach
> him the bambi things, because at 4.5 a child can't really think like an adult.
> But at 13 he'll have started to think with his head. And sooner or later he'll
> face all the stuff that you mentioned, because it's there. What can one do? Sue
> the world? Or maybe roll up sleeves and explaining the "why's", before some
> rednex tells him that God made negroes black because they are beasts and that
> the holocaust never happened?
> > Given the state of our world, you are absolutely right - kids are exposed to
> > this stuff everyday. Why would I voluntarily expose him to more?
> And hearing the word "fuck" is being exposed? Because then you should start
> considering not letting him out at all, and feeding him through a hole. Shutting
> down irony for a minute, since he'll have to walk through all the bad stuff
> anyway, what's wrong with being by his side? Of course when it's the right time,
> but at 13 it's almost the right time for a lot of stuff, simply because at that
> age kids wake up and start living a true social life.
> > You're correct
> > in thinking understanding is the cornerstone of bringing up kids properly, but
> > that doesn't mean I need to expose him to shitty music around the house.
> It's shitty because it's Evanescence :P Or do you mean that every song with bad
> words is shitty? 'Cause I love my NIN albums, you know.
> > Maybe if he was around 15 I wouldn't care as much about the occasional fuck in
> > his bad album, but that's not the point.
> The sue was about a kid of 13 listening to fuck. Pretty close.
> > The point is - someone is at fault for
> > allowing parents to think they were buying a clean album when they were not.
> > Whether you or I think it's okay to expose kids to it is irrelevant.
> Ok, but parents that are SO concerned about this kind of stuff should listen to
> the music before feeding it to the kids. Because let's face it, you can sue
> whoever you want, but as long as the kid listened to it ONCE, he's been exposed
> already, and the horrible damage is done!
> Point 2: sueing for such shit is ridiculous. The whole sueing thing is
> ridiculous, actually. You (I mean your people) are a bit trigger-happy with
> sues, probably for greed? These parents that were "shocked" to hear "fuck" in a
> song are either silly puritans, or just want to make the big buck. Was it so
> difficult to disapprove the album, take it back and complain with the director?
> No, let's sue. We'll become rich.
I could reply to all that in turn, but that's just annoying. I'm in no way approving of the parents suing Walmart, but that doesn't mean Walmart might not be to blame. That's the point. If they knew of the content and chose to not put a Parental Advisory label on it, they need to be more responsible. In turn, the parents should also know what they're putting in their kids ears. Of course, they THOUGHT they were buying a clean album, and that's what I support. Not suing, but having whoever is supposed to let parents know of this stuff be responsible. I'll say it again - whether you or I think the word fuck is bad for kids to hear is irrelevant.
As for the rest of that shit, watch an espisode of Cops. See if you can guess how the kids in that show are going to act when they get to an adult age. Kids emulate the environment they're brought up in, it's as simple as that. I could run around the house swearing, but I don't. As a result, my child will not. At least not around anyone he respects. Sure, he'll turn into a teenager and say fuck all the time around his buddies, but I could care less. By seeing that it's not okay to offend most people in that manner, I will be allowing him to present himself better. Teaching him that fuck is a just a word then using it all the time because its just a word is going to show him that it's okay to use all the time. And exposing him to it simply increases that.