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SubjectJust got 30 days unlimited Carfax access new Reply to this message
Posted byitchyNADZ
Posted on12/15/04 07:37 PM




I'm looking for a newer car and bought 30 days of
unlimited Carfax access.







SubjectRun this VIN: JT2JA82J0P0001402 -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted bySatsuNoHiTo
Posted on12/15/04 07:54 PM



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SubjectThat's "Please Mr. Nadz, run this number" new Reply to this message
Posted byitchyNADZ
Posted on12/15/04 08:30 PM



Check privates.








SubjectThat's BS! That car was trashed, heh. -nt- THANK YOU SIR! new Reply to this message
Posted bySatsuNoHiTo
Posted on12/15/04 08:39 PM



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Subject1993... new Reply to this message
Posted bysphincter
Posted on12/15/04 08:47 PM



Toyota Supra Sport, 2 Door Liftback, Rear Wheel Drive, 3.0L L6 2997cc, Gas, FI, Twin Turbo DOHC 24V, Desg 2JZGTE Vin J (Japan)

I know this isn't really what you were looking for, but I got the info from here. It's been useful in the past for checking that the VIN given in an ad (for example) matches the seller's description of the vehicle.




SubjectHeh -nT- just reporting what CarFax returns new Reply to this message
Posted byitchyNADZ
Posted on12/15/04 10:39 PM



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SubjectHere's the car I'm looking at new Reply to this message
Posted byitchyNADZ
Posted on12/15/04 10:44 PM



2002 Kia Rio
12756 miles
$4,995.00

Not the greatest car, but everything else I've seen around here under $7000 is crap.


Mechanical
16 valves
Double Overhead Cam (DOHC)
Displacement: 1.50 liters
Cylinders: Inline 4
Transmission: 5-speed Manual
Drive Type: Front Wheel Drive

Performance
Horsepower: 96 horsepower
Horsepower At: 5800 rpm
Torque: 98 pound/feet
Torque At: 4500 rpm

Interior
Front Console With Storage
Rear Seat Type: Bench Rear Seat

Exterior
Power Mirrors
Number of Doors: 4
Front Wipers: Intermittent
Rear Defogger
Wheel Rim Type: Steel Rims

Safety
4-Wheel Antilock Brakes: Optional











SubjectWell it should get good gas mileage, heh. -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted bySatsuNoHiTo
Posted on12/15/04 10:57 PM



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Subjectehh... NT ................. new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 01:11 AM



> 2002 Kia Rio
> 12756 miles
> $4,995.00
>
> Not the greatest car, but everything else I've seen around here under $7000 is
> crap.
>
> Mechanical
> 16 valves
> Double Overhead Cam (DOHC)
> Displacement: 1.50 liters
> Cylinders: Inline 4
> Transmission: 5-speed Manual
> Drive Type: Front Wheel Drive
>
> Performance
> Horsepower: 96 horsepower
> Horsepower At: 5800 rpm
> Torque: 98 pound/feet
> Torque At: 4500 rpm
>
> Interior
> Front Console With Storage
> Rear Seat Type: Bench Rear Seat
>
> Exterior
> Power Mirrors
> Number of Doors: 4
> Front Wipers: Intermittent
> Rear Defogger
> Wheel Rim Type: Steel Rims
>
> Safety
> 4-Wheel Antilock Brakes: Optional
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




Subjectbetter than the alternatives. [nt] new Reply to this message
Posted byJoffeman
Posted on12/16/04 01:17 AM





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SubjectNo nt new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 01:31 AM



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Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectAvoid these like the plague new Reply to this message
Posted bysphincter
Posted on12/16/04 12:45 PM



I know two people who have bought Rios. One bought new, one bought used. In both cases, the cars were utter crap. They broke down regularly, servicing was so-so at best (and this from two separate dealers), and things like switchgear had a habit of breaking. They also have zero resale on the used market.

If you want to go Japanese (yeah, Kias are Korean, I know), look into Subarus. They tend to be overlooked, but are good cars (in fact, they're the only Japanese car I've ever owned or would own) and are very affordable on the used market.

Also check JD Power's reviews before buying. They're not going to sell you like a test drive will, but at least it gives you some idea of what you're potentially getting into.




SubjectRe: Avoid these like the plague new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/16/04 03:48 PM



> They also have zero resale on the used market.

Hence the k$5 (OMG ONLY 250 KATAMARI DOLLARS) price for a two-ish year old car with 13 kmi on it...




Subjectmid 20/low 30 city/hwy new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/16/04 04:01 PM



Highs: Dapper looks, a lively engine, screwed-down handling for the price.

Lows: A few built-in-a-barn quality issues, cramped back seat.

The Verdict: A decent ride for those who must buy something with shipping plastic still on the seats.




SubjectRe: Avoid these like the plague new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 04:02 PM



A 2-3 year old bottom end Kia with 120k miles is a recipe for...nothing that will taste good I can tell you that much. I'm surprised they can even sell that for 7k. Don't they cost like 12k new? And it has more miles on it than most people will do in a decade.


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectFor an econo car? new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 04:14 PM



That sucks. My Integra is rated at 25/31 and it's a sport coupe. On average I get about 33-34 with it. If I run the shit out of it I'll get about 30.


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectActually, it's only got 12 kmi, not 120 kmi *nt* Starting at under $10k new new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/16/04 04:19 PM



> A 2-3 year old bottom end Kia with 120k miles is a recipe for...nothing that
> will taste good I can tell you that much. I'm surprised they can even sell that
> for 7k. Don't they cost like 12k new? And it has more miles on it than most
> people will do in a decade.
>
>
> Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit
> uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany
>





SubjectOh... hmmm NT new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 04:33 PM



NT


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectYup new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/16/04 04:44 PM



> That sucks. My Integra is rated at 25/31 and it's a sport coupe. On average I
> get about 33-34 with it. If I run the shit out of it I'll get about 30.

Same with my shitbox Cavalier (actually rated 34 hwy, and got 32 on a cross country sprint), although since I drive like a maniac and live in the city, I suspect it's closer to 20.




SubjectMileage is irrelevant... Reply to this message
Posted bysphincter
Posted on12/16/04 07:13 PM



As long as the car's well-maintained. My 2001 Jeep Cherokee has 102,000 on the clock and runs like a trooper (no pun intended).

Having said that, if the vehicle isn't engineered to last (like Kias, which are one of the few throaway cars still on the market today), you'll be lucky to ever roll the odometer over on it. As other folks have said, look at the low, low price and be suspicious. There's a good reason *why* it's cheap.


SubjectThat's not true new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/16/04 08:21 PM



Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no problems, if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major replacements is more impressive.


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectRe: That's not true new Reply to this message
Posted bysphincter
Posted on12/16/04 08:49 PM



> Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no problems,
> if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major
> replacements is more impressive.

That's actually the point I was making :) I've had cars over 400,000 before that ran great because they were looked after properly and engineered to last. Kias are disposable, though. If one makes it to 100,000 it's probably because it's been towed for at least half of that.


SubjectKias have a 10 yr/100 kmi powertrain warranty *nt* Can't say as to the rest new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/17/04 10:21 AM



> > Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no
> problems,
> > if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major
> > replacements is more impressive.
>
> That's actually the point I was making :) I've had cars over 400,000 before
> that ran great because they were looked after properly and engineered to last.
> Kias are disposable, though. If one makes it to 100,000 it's probably because
> it's been towed for at least half of that.
>





SubjectWould you rather have... new Reply to this message
Posted byZeroKnightRaiden
Posted on12/17/04 02:31 PM



A car with a short warranty but no real problems or major replacements up to and past 100k?

...or...

A car that gets towed to the dealership every 3 months so after ~60k miles so they can fix your problem for free under warranty, at the cost of your time and transportation?

-nZero




SubjectTrue new Reply to this message
Posted bywildcat
Posted on12/17/04 02:59 PM



OTOH, if Kia's reliability really was that bad, they'd be drowning in red from all the free repairs they'd hand out.

I suspect reality is somewhere in between.




SubjectRe: new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/17/04 06:23 PM



It's pretty unlikely to have powertrain failure before 100000 miles. It's the other shit that will fail.


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




SubjectFree Rios new Reply to this message
Posted byRyu_Saotome
Posted on12/20/04 06:24 PM



Supposedly, some Kia dealers are giving away free Rios if you buy a sorento, sedona, or optima. That should give you an idea on the kind of quality they are.

Also check this out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142014,00.html


Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany




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