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Toyota Supra Sport, 2 Door Liftback, Rear Wheel Drive, 3.0L L6 2997cc, Gas, FI, Twin Turbo DOHC 24V, Desg 2JZGTE Vin J (Japan)

I know this isn't really what you were looking for, but I got the info from here. It's been useful in the past for checking that the VIN given in an ad (for example) matches the seller's description of the vehicle.

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2002 Kia Rio
12756 miles
$4,995.00

Not the greatest car, but everything else I've seen around here under $7000 is crap.

Mechanical
16 valves
Double Overhead Cam (DOHC)
Displacement: 1.50 liters
Cylinders: Inline 4
Transmission: 5-speed Manual
Drive Type: Front Wheel Drive

Performance
Horsepower: 96 horsepower
Horsepower At: 5800 rpm
Torque: 98 pound/feet
Torque At: 4500 rpm

Interior
Front Console With Storage
Rear Seat Type: Bench Rear Seat

Exterior
Power Mirrors
Number of Doors: 4
Front Wipers: Intermittent
Rear Defogger
Wheel Rim Type: Steel Rims

Safety
4-Wheel Antilock Brakes: Optional

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> 2002 Kia Rio
> 12756 miles
> $4,995.00
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> Not the greatest car, but everything else I've seen around here under $7000 is
> crap.
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> Mechanical
> 16 valves
> Double Overhead Cam (DOHC)
> Displacement: 1.50 liters
> Cylinders: Inline 4
> Transmission: 5-speed Manual
> Drive Type: Front Wheel Drive
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> Performance
> Horsepower: 96 horsepower
> Horsepower At: 5800 rpm
> Torque: 98 pound/feet
> Torque At: 4500 rpm
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> Interior
> Front Console With Storage
> Rear Seat Type: Bench Rear Seat
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> Exterior
> Power Mirrors
> Number of Doors: 4
> Front Wipers: Intermittent
> Rear Defogger
> Wheel Rim Type: Steel Rims
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> Safety
> 4-Wheel Antilock Brakes: Optional
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Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

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Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

I know two people who have bought Rios. One bought new, one bought used. In both cases, the cars were utter crap. They broke down regularly, servicing was so-so at best (and this from two separate dealers), and things like switchgear had a habit of breaking. They also have zero resale on the used market.

If you want to go Japanese (yeah, Kias are Korean, I know), look into Subarus. They tend to be overlooked, but are good cars (in fact, they're the only Japanese car I've ever owned or would own) and are very affordable on the used market.

Also check JD Power's reviews before buying. They're not going to sell you like a test drive will, but at least it gives you some idea of what you're potentially getting into.

> They also have zero resale on the used market.

Hence the k$5 (OMG ONLY 250 KATAMARI DOLLARS) price for a two-ish year old car with 13 kmi on it...

Highs: Dapper looks, a lively engine, screwed-down handling for the price.

Lows: A few built-in-a-barn quality issues, cramped back seat.

The Verdict: A decent ride for those who must buy something with shipping plastic still on the seats.

A 2-3 year old bottom end Kia with 120k miles is a recipe for...nothing that will taste good I can tell you that much. I'm surprised they can even sell that for 7k. Don't they cost like 12k new? And it has more miles on it than most people will do in a decade.

Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

That sucks. My Integra is rated at 25/31 and it's a sport coupe. On average I get about 33-34 with it. If I run the shit out of it I'll get about 30.

Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

> A 2-3 year old bottom end Kia with 120k miles is a recipe for...nothing that
> will taste good I can tell you that much. I'm surprised they can even sell that
> for 7k. Don't they cost like 12k new? And it has more miles on it than most
> people will do in a decade.
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> Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit
> uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany
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Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

> That sucks. My Integra is rated at 25/31 and it's a sport coupe. On average I
> get about 33-34 with it. If I run the shit out of it I'll get about 30.

Same with my shitbox Cavalier (actually rated 34 hwy, and got 32 on a cross country sprint), although since I drive like a maniac and live in the city, I suspect it's closer to 20.

As long as the car's well-maintained. My 2001 Jeep Cherokee has 102,000 on the clock and runs like a trooper (no pun intended).

Having said that, if the vehicle isn't engineered to last (like Kias, which are one of the few throaway cars still on the market today), you'll be lucky to ever roll the odometer over on it. As other folks have said, look at the low, low price and be suspicious. There's a good reason *why* it's cheap.

Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no problems, if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major replacements is more impressive.

Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

> Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no problems,
> if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major
> replacements is more impressive.

That's actually the point I was making :) I've had cars over 400,000 before that ran great because they were looked after properly and engineered to last. Kias are disposable, though. If one makes it to 100,000 it's probably because it's been towed for at least half of that.

> > Mileage is very relevant. Most newer cars should last to 100k with no
> problems,
> > if they don't, they are trash. Lasting to 200k without having to make major
> > replacements is more impressive.
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> That's actually the point I was making :) I've had cars over 400,000 before
> that ran great because they were looked after properly and engineered to last.
> Kias are disposable, though. If one makes it to 100,000 it's probably because
> it's been towed for at least half of that.
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A car with a short warranty but no real problems or major replacements up to and past 100k?

...or...

A car that gets towed to the dealership every 3 months so after ~60k miles so they can fix your problem for free under warranty, at the cost of your time and transportation?

-nZero

OTOH, if Kia's reliability really was that bad, they'd be drowning in red from all the free repairs they'd hand out.

I suspect reality is somewhere in between.

It's pretty unlikely to have powertrain failure before 100000 miles. It's the other shit that will fail.

Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany

Supposedly, some Kia dealers are giving away free Rios if you buy a sorento, sedona, or optima. That should give you an idea on the kind of quality they are.

Also check this out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142014,00.html

Am tired to hear that what is you point. mine its very clear sun. shit uuuuuuuuppppppppp - Dany