> maybe that would work, i had no respect for male authority figures so i wouldn't
> know- it didn't work for me, nothing did. i was a complete asshole at that age,
> to everyone, and dean will agree. some kids can't be helped until they help
> themselves. just don't beat the fucker. that is the one thing i can say
> seriously created more contempt and hatred without any positive effects
> whatsoever inside my malformed childbrain.

Most kids are assholes at that age, I was. I would never touch my child, but I think at that age parents need to be like wardens. Eventually, most children do help themselves in most ways, and I would certainly encourage him as much as I could, while being militant in my discipline.

CSP