Kurt Vonnegut dies at 84.
And the Imus story is still the top headline

you know they're oppressed and all

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> you know they're oppressed and all
>
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...it wouldn't be publicized in this manner. this is about making people think the real problems facing the black community are some bullshit comments by a random asshole.

> ...it wouldn't be publicized in this manner. this is about making people think
> the real problems facing the black community are some bullshit comments by a
> random asshole.


This does bring up a GREAT issue. Here's my basic point of view, and even though I've agreed and agreed to disagree with you before, I think some white boy opinions on racial tension is always welcome ;-)

The way I see it, the reason that "black" people "are" in general is because of white people. Being "black" today for a majority of black people means being rough, tough, ignorant, and anything viewed as anti-white. I've seen many a melanin laden folk say that well educated, well spoken people of colored skin are not "real" black men/women.

Hell, if you emigrate from an African nation (1st gen), come to the USA and get a quality education only to be told by what I've seen described as the "cream in the coffee" (yah yah, i know I probably shouldn't say that) black folk that you are not a real black man, what does that say about being "black" in the US?

But back to this all being white folks fault. The slavery/oppression of the past combined with the free gov't handouts made to make white people feel not so bad about doing it have created a black-subculture that, as Chris Rock would say, that are "low-expectation having mother fuckers." Why be part of the "system" when you can live off the system.

And I won't say that MOST black folks are like that, but there is a vocal minority that believe that it is there right to mooch off the gov't even though they are plenty capable and plenty smart to help society, they feel that society owes them becuase of the unfortunate events of the past.

The first realization that you have to make is that every one is racist to some degree. It is impossibly hard to not think in terms of stereotypes because they are so embedded in our culture. However, even though we have reached legislative equality, there are still many double standards that are impeading progress on race relations and there are many powerful black "spokesmen" if you will (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton) who see it in their best interest to keep the black population as stupid/controlled as possible to keep themselves in positions of power. I don't have all the answers, but it sucks, like you say, that the real issues are over shadowed by words when we need to talk about action.


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> > ...it wouldn't be publicized in this manner. this is about making people think
> > the real problems facing the black community are some bullshit comments by a
> > random asshole.
>
>
> This does bring up a GREAT issue. Here's my basic point of view, and even
> though I've agreed and agreed to disagree with you before, I think some white
> boy opinions on racial tension is always welcome ;-)
>
> The way I see it, the reason that "black" people "are" in general is because of
> white people. Being "black" today for a majority of black people means being
> rough, tough, ignorant, and anything viewed as anti-white. I've seen many a
> melanin laden folk say that well educated, well spoken people of colored skin
> are not "real" black men/women.
>
> Hell, if you emigrate from an African nation (1st gen), come to the USA and get
> a quality education only to be told by what I've seen described as the "cream in
> the coffee" (yah yah, i know I probably shouldn't say that) black folk that you
> are not a real black man, what does that say about being "black" in the US?
>
> But back to this all being white folks fault. The slavery/oppression of the
> past combined with the free gov't handouts made to make white people feel not so
> bad about doing it have created a black-subculture that, as Chris Rock would
> say, that are "low-expectation having mother fuckers." Why be part of the
> "system" when you can live off the system.
>
> And I won't say that MOST black folks are like that, but there is a vocal
> minority that believe that it is there right to mooch off the gov't even though
> they are plenty capable and plenty smart to help society, they feel that society
> owes them becuase of the unfortunate events of the past.
>
> The first realization that you have to make is that every one is racist to some
> degree. It is impossibly hard to not think in terms of stereotypes because they
> are so embedded in our culture. However, even though we have reached
> legislative equality, there are still many double standards that are impeading
> progress on race relations and there are many powerful black "spokesmen" if you
> will (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton) who see it in their best interest to keep the
> black population as stupid/controlled as possible to keep themselves in
> positions of power. I don't have all the answers, but it sucks, like you say,
> that the real issues are over shadowed by words when we need to talk about
> action.
>
>
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That's the best and most eloquent statement about this issue that I've seen so far, mind if I borrow that? (i'll give credit where credit is due).

This ain't gospel, just an opinion. But the more people who talk about the issues, the more likely we'll be able to better resolve them.


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> This ain't gospel, just an opinion. But the more people who talk about the
> issues, the more likely we'll be able to better resolve them.
>

Sage words man, sage words. :)