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SubjectWhat is the deal with Vista? Reply to this message
Posted byVanillaDome
Posted on04/17/07 02:00 PM



Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of a scam? I've been shopping for a laptop for someone else, and pretty much everything has Vista on it. I can't see anything good about it. Let's look at the proposed benefits:

More reliable. I don't really buy it; XP/2000 is pretty relibale on it's own, and I havn't seen anything that suggests that Vista is invincible, other than Microsoft saying it is.

More security. Didn't Kaspersky and other AV companies come out and say that it's worse than XP SP2 in terms of security?

Pretty new GUI. Which uses a lot of resources. Personally I don't care much for the graphical gloss.

Direct3D 10. This just pisses me off. Way to screw over gamers. I hope someone figures out a workaround or devs start using OpenGL instead.

And the bad...

Mass consumption of resources. Not only does this hurt you in hardware costs, but especially for laptops, the power consumption just kills battery life. From what I hear, a lot of people are switching to XP because of this and the next problem...

Compatibility. I've been hearing about tons of compatibility issues with old stuff. Games especially.

So I guess I don't get it. I've never liked Microsoft's tactics, but this seems like a scam. It makes me feel like going back to 98, just on principal. I hear FAT32 blows for larger hard drives though; and XP has better built in hardware support. It's really too bad that Linux sucks so much for games (other than emulators), otherwise I'd be all over some Ubuntu.




SubjectIt's marketing new Reply to this message
Posted byMarv
Posted on04/17/07 03:49 PM



> Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of a scam? I've been shopping for a
> laptop for someone else, and pretty much everything has Vista on it. I can't
> see anything good about it. Let's look at the proposed benefits:
>
> More reliable. I don't really buy it; XP/2000 is pretty relibale on it's own,
> and I havn't seen anything that suggests that Vista is invincible, other than
> Microsoft saying it is.
>
> More security. Didn't Kaspersky and other AV companies come out and say that
> it's worse than XP SP2 in terms of security?
>
> Pretty new GUI. Which uses a lot of resources. Personally I don't care much
> for the graphical gloss.
>
> Direct3D 10. This just pisses me off. Way to screw over gamers. I hope
> someone figures out a workaround or devs start using OpenGL instead.
>
> And the bad...
>
> Mass consumption of resources. Not only does this hurt you in hardware costs,
> but especially for laptops, the power consumption just kills battery life. From
> what I hear, a lot of people are switching to XP because of this and the next
> problem...
>
> Compatibility. I've been hearing about tons of compatibility issues with old
> stuff. Games especially.
>
> So I guess I don't get it. I've never liked Microsoft's tactics, but this seems
> like a scam. It makes me feel like going back to 98, just on principal. I hear
> FAT32 blows for larger hard drives though; and XP has better built in hardware
> support. It's really too bad that Linux sucks so much for games (other than
> emulators), otherwise I'd be all over some Ubuntu.
>


It has some nice ideas (vector-based graphics and stuff), but support for it is quite immature at the moment and you can't sensibly run it on cheap PCs. It might be great in 2 or 3 years (when hardware is cheaper and people have written software that utilises Vista's new bits properly), but right now, it's not worth it. So XP is the way forward ... except that Microsoft are putting pressure on retailers and PC manufacturers to stop selling XP. Fuckars.




Subjectit's life new Reply to this message
Posted bySilentAce
Posted on04/17/07 04:00 PM



If new products weren't forced on people no body would buy them. We would be riding in steam powered cars because gas is expensive and everyone would tune in to the radio station and imagine a good night. Every OS that comes out is always shit on for the first year or so. XP was the exact same way when 98 was still around. just give it time and vista will become what XP is today. not saying its wrong to bitch though. i tried vista and i loved it, i like the littles things they improved. rewrote the games, including some kiddy games for the younger folk. allowed microsoft supported widgets on the desktop (take xp and throw window blinds on it and see what happens for sys performance) the only thing that really bugs me is the whole lock down of the hard drive and issues with dual booting. gaming and software incompatibility is to be expected in my book

> Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of a scam? I've been shopping for a
> laptop for someone else, and pretty much everything has Vista on it. I can't
> see anything good about it. Let's look at the proposed benefits:
>
> More reliable. I don't really buy it; XP/2000 is pretty relibale on it's own,
> and I havn't seen anything that suggests that Vista is invincible, other than
> Microsoft saying it is.
>
> More security. Didn't Kaspersky and other AV companies come out and say that
> it's worse than XP SP2 in terms of security?
>
> Pretty new GUI. Which uses a lot of resources. Personally I don't care much
> for the graphical gloss.
>
> Direct3D 10. This just pisses me off. Way to screw over gamers. I hope
> someone figures out a workaround or devs start using OpenGL instead.
>
> And the bad...
>
> Mass consumption of resources. Not only does this hurt you in hardware costs,
> but especially for laptops, the power consumption just kills battery life. From
> what I hear, a lot of people are switching to XP because of this and the next
> problem...
>
> Compatibility. I've been hearing about tons of compatibility issues with old
> stuff. Games especially.
>
> So I guess I don't get it. I've never liked Microsoft's tactics, but this seems
> like a scam. It makes me feel like going back to 98, just on principal. I hear
> FAT32 blows for larger hard drives though; and XP has better built in hardware
> support. It's really too bad that Linux sucks so much for games (other than
> emulators), otherwise I'd be all over some Ubuntu.
>


Yes its a sig... yes i am worthless



SubjectDell is apparently going to go back to preloaded XP on some models -nt new Reply to this message
Posted byKrAcKeR
Posted on04/17/07 10:55 PM



> Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of a scam? I've been shopping for a
> laptop for someone else, and pretty much everything has Vista on it. I can't
> see anything good about it. Let's look at the proposed benefits:
>
> More reliable. I don't really buy it; XP/2000 is pretty relibale on it's own,
> and I havn't seen anything that suggests that Vista is invincible, other than
> Microsoft saying it is.
>
> More security. Didn't Kaspersky and other AV companies come out and say that
> it's worse than XP SP2 in terms of security?
>
> Pretty new GUI. Which uses a lot of resources. Personally I don't care much
> for the graphical gloss.
>
> Direct3D 10. This just pisses me off. Way to screw over gamers. I hope
> someone figures out a workaround or devs start using OpenGL instead.
>
> And the bad...
>
> Mass consumption of resources. Not only does this hurt you in hardware costs,
> but especially for laptops, the power consumption just kills battery life. From
> what I hear, a lot of people are switching to XP because of this and the next
> problem...
>
> Compatibility. I've been hearing about tons of compatibility issues with old
> stuff. Games especially.
>
> So I guess I don't get it. I've never liked Microsoft's tactics, but this seems
> like a scam. It makes me feel like going back to 98, just on principal. I hear
> FAT32 blows for larger hard drives though; and XP has better built in hardware
> support. It's really too bad that Linux sucks so much for games (other than
> emulators), otherwise I'd be all over some Ubuntu.
>





SubjectToo bad microsoft doesn't want it to... new Reply to this message
Posted byDeath Knight
Posted on04/18/07 01:17 AM



I've heard that MS plans to stop selling copies of XP to OEM manufacturers and the general public by the start of 2008. Upgrade or die. That's always such a nice policy. Assholes.

All work and no play makes me..., well, you know the rest.


Subjectwell said - nt - Vista is XP of old... new Reply to this message
Posted byn2locarz
Posted on04/18/07 01:57 AM



> If new products weren't forced on people no body would buy them. We would be
> riding in steam powered cars because gas is expensive and everyone would tune in
> to the radio station and imagine a good night. Every OS that comes out is always
> shit on for the first year or so. XP was the exact same way when 98 was still
> around. just give it time and vista will become what XP is today. not saying its
> wrong to bitch though. i tried vista and i loved it, i like the littles things
> they improved. rewrote the games, including some kiddy games for the younger
> folk. allowed microsoft supported widgets on the desktop (take xp and throw
> window blinds on it and see what happens for sys performance) the only thing
> that really bugs me is the whole lock down of the hard drive and issues with
> dual booting. gaming and software incompatibility is to be expected in my book
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of a scam? I've been shopping for a
> > laptop for someone else, and pretty much everything has Vista on it. I can't
> > see anything good about it. Let's look at the proposed benefits:
> >
> > More reliable. I don't really buy it; XP/2000 is pretty relibale on it's own,
> > and I havn't seen anything that suggests that Vista is invincible, other than
> > Microsoft saying it is.
> >
> > More security. Didn't Kaspersky and other AV companies come out and say that
> > it's worse than XP SP2 in terms of security?
> >
> > Pretty new GUI. Which uses a lot of resources. Personally I don't care much
> > for the graphical gloss.
> >
> > Direct3D 10. This just pisses me off. Way to screw over gamers. I hope
> > someone figures out a workaround or devs start using OpenGL instead.
> >
> > And the bad...
> >
> > Mass consumption of resources. Not only does this hurt you in hardware costs,
> > but especially for laptops, the power consumption just kills battery life.
> From
> > what I hear, a lot of people are switching to XP because of this and the next
> > problem...
> >
> > Compatibility. I've been hearing about tons of compatibility issues with old
> > stuff. Games especially.
> >
> > So I guess I don't get it. I've never liked Microsoft's tactics, but this
> seems
> > like a scam. It makes me feel like going back to 98, just on principal. I
> hear
> > FAT32 blows for larger hard drives though; and XP has better built in hardware
> > support. It's really too bad that Linux sucks so much for games (other than
> > emulators), otherwise I'd be all over some Ubuntu.
> >
>
>
> Yes its a sig... yes i am worthless
>





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