this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the conclusion seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine, mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.

how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american electorate amongst us found their ticket?

I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.

I disagree with McCain on many things.
I disagree with Obama on everything.



> this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the conclusion
> seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
>
> how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> electorate amongst us found their ticket?
>
> I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
>

...and regardless of what Obama says I doubt he can change much of what's going on now. Everything is money driven, politicians don't care what the people want, it's what the lobbyist with the most money wants.

We here in CA should band together and become our own little electable group. We seem to be more sensible than the great unwashed masses.


> ...and regardless of what Obama says I doubt he can change much of what's going
> on now. Everything is money driven, politicians don't care what the people
> want, it's what the lobbyist with the most money wants.
>
>

my question was more leaning towards; have you been surprised this year, would you say things have gone "according to plan" for either candidate, what are your expectations for the years ahead, and so on and so forth.

or do you base your choice on who looks best in a kkk hood.

People reveal their biases by their questions and comments, even if they're not overtly stated.

Interesting that you mentioned a 'kkk hood'.

I've noticed that if one disagrees with anything regarding Barack Obama, they are increasingly being labeled racists. It doesn't matter if they have legitimate differences of opinion and want to have Socratic exchanges - 'racist' is used.

This will have the effect of dulling or even nullifying legitimate cases of racism.


> my question was more leaning towards; have you been surprised this year, would
> you say things have gone "according to plan" for either candidate, what are your
> expectations for the years ahead, and so on and so forth.
>
> or do you base your choice on who looks best in a kkk hood.
>

> People reveal their biases by their questions and comments, even if they're not
> overtly stated.
>
> Interesting that you mentioned a 'kkk hood'.
>
> I've noticed that if one disagrees with anything regarding Barack Obama, they
> are increasingly being labeled racists. It doesn't matter if they have
> legitimate differences of opinion and want to have Socratic exchanges - 'racist'
> is used.
>
> This will have the effect of dulling or even nullifying legitimate cases of
> racism.
>
>
> > my question was more leaning towards; have you been surprised this year, would
> > you say things have gone "according to plan" for either candidate, what are
> your
> > expectations for the years ahead, and so on and so forth.
> >
> > or do you base your choice on who looks best in a kkk hood.
> >
>
>
>
>

I have become touchy, because whenever I want to sit and have rational discourse over Obama's policies, I have been labeled a racist, hate monger, Bush lover, etc and so on. These myrmidons don't even bother to do any self reflection of themselves or inspection of those they choose to support. They blindly, unquestioningly follow - how unfortunate. Whatever happened to critical thinking?


> > People reveal their biases by their questions and comments, even if they're
> not
> > overtly stated.
> >
> > Interesting that you mentioned a 'kkk hood'.
> >
> > I've noticed that if one disagrees with anything regarding Barack Obama, they
> > are increasingly being labeled racists. It doesn't matter if they have
> > legitimate differences of opinion and want to have Socratic exchanges -
> 'racist'
> > is used.
> >
> > This will have the effect of dulling or even nullifying legitimate cases of
> > racism.
> >
> >
> > > my question was more leaning towards; have you been surprised this year,
> would
> > > you say things have gone "according to plan" for either candidate, what are
> > your
> > > expectations for the years ahead, and so on and so forth.
> > >
> > > or do you base your choice on who looks best in a kkk hood.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> > People reveal their biases by their questions and comments, even if they're
> not
> > overtly stated.
> >
> > Interesting that you mentioned a 'kkk hood'.
> >
> > I've noticed that if one disagrees with anything regarding Barack Obama, they
> > are increasingly being labeled racists. It doesn't matter if they have
> > legitimate differences of opinion and want to have Socratic exchanges -
> 'racist'
> > is used.
> >
> > This will have the effect of dulling or even nullifying legitimate cases of
> > racism.
> >
> >
> > > my question was more leaning towards; have you been surprised this year,
> would
> > > you say things have gone "according to plan" for either candidate, what are
> > your
> > > expectations for the years ahead, and so on and so forth.
> > >
> > > or do you base your choice on who looks best in a kkk hood.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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My thought is that everyone hates the US... being outside the US for over 3 years now I have seen how instantly when i mention where i am from they jump all over how bush sucks at his job...

What i have come to find out is that they don't even really give a shit about the president... they will just hate us anyways.

I dislike both candidate... and honestly i think who ever wins will die in office either way. McCain is 72 and about to die... while Obama is black and I don't wish it upon him at all (but its bound to happen) he will probably get killed by some moron with a "political" motive through the KKK or Aryan Nation or some bullshit like that. Racism will become just as bad as it was 10-20 years ago if it does happen.

I see no good from either president and I hope all the bullshit they are spouting off just goes away when whoever makes it and they listen to the people (thats high hopes though). Our president has almost just as much useless power as the Queen of England. If the house/senate really want something to happen the president has absolutely no say so. So whatever.

My vote really does mean nothing. No matter what bullshit MTV tries to put in kids heads. If i vote there are 100 if not 1000s of others who know absolutely nothing about politics voting to fuck up my choice.

I am white... and for obama... don't ask me why... as a military member you would think i would go for the guy who would give me more money. What i found out this year was that bush tried to deny the pay raise the senate/house wanted to give us. Well they got it to go through anyways without his approval. So basically this year after following a little bit of the politics, i realized voting is complete dog shit and i would recommend no body vote. How funny would it be to have an election where no body voted (obviously that would never happen) but still i would laugh so hard when the votes came down to McCain voted for himself and Obama voted for himself... i guess we have a tie folks.

Fuck politics... and the stupid shit/problems they bring to the world.

> this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the conclusion
> seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
>
> how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> electorate amongst us found their ticket?
>
> I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
>


Just Another Miller
2E2X1.net
TeamDrunk.net

> My thought is that everyone hates the US... being outside the US for over 3
> years now I have seen how instantly when i mention where i am from they jump all
> over how bush sucks at his job...
>
> What i have come to find out is that they don't even really give a shit about
> the president... they will just hate us anyways.

For me, anyway, I used to like America, and wanted to live there. Sure, we laughed a bit at how we perceived Americans to be fat and dumb (that's racism right there), and people got annoyed with American companies taking over our UK high streets, but pretty much we liked.

Now, we realise that America is not a big dumb idiot, it's a big, half-smart bully. It starts wars for dubious reasons and kills innocent people. That's what I hate.
However, what I realised is that many smart Americans are against this, and against Bush. Most of the Americans I know are cool and think along the same lines I do.

So while I have more respect for the American people, I have little respect for the American government and would not want to live there.

As to my government - they suck too. Perhaps even more. I don't know if it's the same in America, but it seems like all of the major political parties have bad policies and do not have our best interests at heart.

its gone hideously wrong from my perspective. the worst part is a lot of the significant errors have been unforced. whether or not that's an indication of his ability to govern is another thing, but it certainly provides a peek at his ability to handle crises.

In reply to:

---

whenever I want to sit and have rational discourse over Obama's policies, I have been labeled a racist, hate monger, Bush lover, etc and so on

---

I don't feel sorry for you. Didn't you once say that you like to tweak obama people? Of course I'm assuming that by sitting, you mean sitting at your computer, and by rational discourse you mean comments on digg.

If I'm mistaken please let me know.

Biden is a bit of a wild card, McCain is a gaffe machine, Obama is a steady pair of hands and Palin is all fluff and no substance.

And I'll probably still vote for Bob Barr even though I think he's about as Libertarian as Nader is Green (that is, not at all). Or I'll write in Ron Paul. It's not a wasted vote if they're all wasted votes.



> this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the conclusion
> seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
>
> how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> electorate amongst us found their ticket?
>
> I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
>

Whoever wins will face a horrible mess. The US is freakin' broke (or close to being) with all the crap they're buying or giving away. I expect to see higher taxes, cut backs on many non-financial and less popular government spending (grants to universities, NASA, parts of the army, etc). The only good news is that with a reduction of standard of living (and labor costs), we should see outsourced jobs going back to the US. But it will be painful for everybody.

McCain is freaking scary in the sense that he clearly won't hesitate one second to push the big red button. As far as I can tell his policies are a continuation of Bush's (+ his administration) which I don't think did too much good to either the US or the rest of the world. If he wins, I expect the US to engage in another war to distract people from real issues, nevermind the sorry state of the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Back in the day, the motto for the war was "support your troops". Well, I do, I want them safe(r) defending home and not bullying other countries.

Obama is interesting. Hopefully if he wins he can take steps to reduce the rampant racism in the US (on all sides). The pain of undoing Bush's damage, however, can make him very unpopular, and could bring a republican win next time. So he may choose to keep the status quo after all. He won't be able to do as much as he promises but if he does a good job in foreign relations, it will be a big improvement. I don't agree with many of his ideas, but it's the lesser of two evils in my book.



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McCain has no idea how to run a modern campaign. He doesn't press his advantages. He doesn't take the fight to the other side. When Palin was a big thing, he didn't splash her and have her appearing everywhere and in every thing.


> its gone hideously wrong from my perspective. the worst part is a lot of the
> significant errors have been unforced. whether or not that's an indication of
> his ability to govern is another thing, but it certainly provides a peek at his
> ability to handle crises.
>
> In reply to:whenever I want to sit and have rational discourse over Obama's
> policies, I have been labeled a racist, hate monger, Bush lover, etc and so onI
> don't feel sorry for you. Didn't you once say that you like to tweak obama
> people? Of course I'm assuming that by sitting, you mean sitting at your
> computer, and by rational discourse you mean comments on digg.
>
> If I'm mistaken please let me know.
>

Yup. I post facts and point out fallacies and inconsistencies in the views and comments of the myrmidons. That's what I mean by 'tweak'. :^)

> its gone hideously wrong from my perspective. the worst part is a lot of the
> significant errors have been unforced. whether or not that's an indication of
> his ability to govern is another thing, but it certainly provides a peek at his
> ability to handle crises.
>
> In reply to:whenever I want to sit and have rational discourse over Obama's
> policies, I have been labeled a racist, hate monger, Bush lover, etc and so onI
> don't feel sorry for you. Didn't you once say that you like to tweak obama
> people? Of course I'm assuming that by sitting, you mean sitting at your
> computer, and by rational discourse you mean comments on digg.
>
> If I'm mistaken please let me know.
>

> My thought is that everyone hates the US... being outside the US for over 3
> years now I have seen how instantly when i mention where i am from they jump all
> over how bush sucks at his job...
>

Well that's easy to understand considering from day one of the so called stolen election the media has sabotaged everything about the guys work and public image. Given that the other countries know little other than the shit that MSNBC and CNN shovels of course that would help things too. Everyone I've been made aware of from my brother he has met from common travels abroad it seems more regional hatred. The asians don't seem to have a general problem, neither do the aussies and kiwis either, but Europeans from the western half do, and the eastern half generally the opposite.

As far as this election goes the same thing seems to fall in line with McCain and Obama. Obama due to his stunt he pulled in Berlin comes off like a black Clinton and the democratic-socialist governed types absolutely worship the ground he walks on (those western europeans), yet those same thanks to the CNN/MSNBC feed see McCain = Bush which is the ultimate lie.

It's all crap and if our own media would mind their own fucking business and keep opinion out of news reporting like they did in the 1980s and back things would be a hell of a lot better in general with media honesty and world view spurred by that stupidity of today.

I'm with itchy... McCain I don't agree with 100%, but Obama I agree far far less with (I don't appreciate socialism.)


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Bet on who's going to win and how many electoral votes they're going to get.




> this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the conclusion
> seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
>
> how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> electorate amongst us found their ticket?
>
> I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
>

> Bet on who's going to win and how many electoral votes they're going to get.
>
>
>
>
> > this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the
> conclusion
> > seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> > mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
> >
> > how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> > electorate amongst us found their ticket?
> >
> > I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
> >
>
>
>
>

you seem like a total fucking douchebag, like Class316 but worse. I witheld for so long before saying this, but you appear to be a complete and utter cunt itchynadz. spouting off the same talk radio bullshit about obama's birth certificate and utter fucking disgusting unfunny comments like this.

that is not raising an interesting fact

or positing an idea

or anything

thats just you being a fucking scumbag.

I'm ashamed I even visit this forum where people like you, say shit like .

fuck you. My comment about you being a fucking klansmen was closer to the truth than I even realised! You're a fucking two faced piece of shit that will happily act like a voice of elementary reason one second and then login somewhere else and spout hateful fucking bullshit like that.

you're not objective, you're not balanced, you are human waste.

... that people make their own minds up and read through all of the comments I make on Digg, not just the cherry picked one that Ibbo posted. I have nothing to hide. Some of my comments may offend, some comments may enlighten, while other comments may make you wonder "huh?"

Over the years, I've personally dealt with many of the inhabitants of CA and they know what kind of person I am. More importantly, I know who I am.

You are more than welcome to your opinion Ibbo. I'm glad you can express it. Too bad you seem to have a lot of pent up hatred and anger inside of you.



> you seem like a total fucking douchebag, like Class316 but worse. I witheld for
> so long before saying this, but you appear to be a complete and utter cunt
> itchynadz. spouting off the same talk radio bullshit about obama's birth
> certificate and utter fucking disgusting unfunny comments like this.
>
> that is not raising an interesting fact
>
> or positing an idea
>
> or anything
>
> thats just you being a fucking scumbag.
>
> I'm ashamed I even visit this forum where people like you, say shit like .
>
> fuck you. My comment about you being a fucking klansmen was closer to the truth
> than I even realised! You're a fucking two faced piece of shit that will happily
> act like a voice of elementary reason one second and then login somewhere else
> and spout hateful fucking bullshit like that.
>
> you're not objective, you're not balanced, you are human waste.
>

Obama looks like he'll pull off the victory, probably with a 60 or so electoral vote win over McCain, something like 300-238.


> > Bet on who's going to win and how many electoral votes they're going to get.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > this has come up before, and the discussion was interesting etc. the
> > conclusion
> > > seemed to be that palin was a bit of a wild card, biden was a gaffe machine,
> > > mccain was a steady pair of hands and obama was all fluff and no substance.
> > >
> > > how does everyone think its gone over the past few weeks? have the american
> > > electorate amongst us found their ticket?
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to see what you all thought on this one.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Albeit a bit too late, but anyways...religion and politics are not fucking allowed in here. I fucking hate when people talk that shit because it ends in the horror show that I'm seeing unfold below. Go have virtual mansex on your politico website of choice. Not in CA.

pixel-eight.com

The sickness that is politics is a real sickness and not the mere oddity of personalities that we are in CA :^)


> Albeit a bit too late, but anyways...religion and politics are not fucking
> allowed in here. I fucking hate when people talk that shit because it ends in
> the horror show that I'm seeing unfold below. Go have virtual mansex on your
> politico website of choice. Not in CA.
>
> pixel-eight.com
>

...and distract everybody by saying go look at the president from Argentina.




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Or this.


> ...and distract everybody by saying go look at the president from Argentina.
>
>
>
>
> [download a life]
>