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SubjectShumps for PS2 - what to get? (mt) [a bit OT] Reply to this message
Posted byIron Man
Posted on10/17/04 07:16 AM



I thing about getting an PS2 for Xmas and as i like a good shump, i would like to get some good suggestions (maybe with links, yes i am lazy a bastard - i know)?

I already have the 2 Gradius games on my list (Gadius 3+4 and the new Gradius V).
So what would be a must have?

Thanks.

So long...


'Now the time is here
for Iron Man to spread fear,
Vengeance from the grave
kills the people he once saved
'
Black Sabbath '70
*grunt* Metal *gnarf*


SubjectHope you like importing stuff new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on10/17/04 09:43 AM



too long; didn't read: get a modchip

Most of the good PS2 shmups (and most of the bad ones, for that matter) have yet to come over to the US. We got Shikigami no Shiro (...sort of) as Mobile Light Force 2, which you can easilly find in your bargin bin for a rockin $10 brand new (if that).

R Type Final seems to be pretty hit n miss for most people. I loved it. Slow, not overly difficult, but still challenging. Lots of replay value (GOTTA COLLECT 'EM ALL) with some pretty awesome alternate stages and customization options. It's no R Type Delta, but it's good.

But some of the best shit never came over here. Dodonpachi Daioujou redefines pain. I fucking love it. Fire that baby up for a few credits and then go play ANYTHING else, and whatever you're playing is suddenly a hell of a lot easier and slower paced. Bullet hell, pure and simple. I can't recommend it enough :)

ESPGaluda, on the other hand, initially looks impossible but turns out to be Cave's easiest shmup that I've played (never played Ketsui, which I've heard wasn't too hard either). It's sort of the sequel to ESPRade, but there's this weird gender changing aspect...yea...uh... you just need to play it. Rockin' soundtrack, great level designs and boss / midboss designs, and there's an arranged mode that's nice and hard. Not Dodonpachi Daioujou Black Label hard, but still pretty difficult :)

Psyvariar Complete (contains Psyvariar Medium Unit and Revision) is enjoyable but very, very short. The purpose of the game is more of a scoring exercise than anything. If you're playing to 1 credit clear the game, don't bother with it. It's all about balls as you try to buzz all of the bullets you can, leveling up the shit out of your ship. The sequel on Dreamcast is even better imo.

Shikigami no Shiro 2 should be coming out in the US pretty soon as a budget title, but you could always import it as well. I haven't played this one, but I heard it was the worst of the SnS2 ports (it came out on GC, PS2, Xbox, and DC in Japan; i only own the DC special edition). I dug it on DC though..so...yea..i'll be picking up the budget release whenever it comes out.

Gunbird I and II and Strikers 1945 I and II are both available right now. You could play 'em in MAME if you wanted *Shrug* The console conversions are arcade perfect and worth picking up if you dig Psikyo's goodness.

Shienryu got released as a budget title with its terribly bland sequel (which was originally planned to be a DC game but got cancelled). If you've ever played Daioh in MAME, Shienryu is basically a heavilly upgraded version of it. The Saturn version was arcade perfect, but the Playstation versions had assloads of slowdown. the PS2 version is arade perfect, but IIRC it doesn't include all of the extra modes from the playstation versions. Still, for 2000 yen it's a killer deal. Watch out for that sequel though..it's pretty damn bad.

XII Stag sucks. I'm warning you, stay the fuck away. If there's one reason why the GNet hardware needs to be emulated right now, it's so that everyone can see just how bad the game is and avoid paying 5800 fucking yen for the god damn thing. Jesus christ. I wish i had never bought it.

Fantasy Zone will be coming out in the US on the Sega Ages disc along with 9 other games, and it's going to be $20, IIRC. Virtua Racing Flat Out will be on the disc as well, so if you don't pick it up I'm going to monkey stomp your fucking eyes through the back of your head :( (watch out for those changed physics in Virtua Racing though...it's more like Virtua Daytona now. It's not bad, just different). Golden Axe is also on the disc, and it sucks new york hardcore. You need to play it just so that you can appreciate all of the good games more.

the Space Invaders 25th anniversary collection is a rip off. Avoid it. It doesn't have Space Invaders 91 or 95 on it, so it's really more like a Space Invader 5 year anniversary pack or some such. Fucking Taito.

Star Soldier isn't terrible, it's just seriously retro. and slow.

Choaniki sucks as much as every other game in the series. If you simply must play it, just buy the playstation budget rerelease for 1000-1500yen




SubjectDon't forget Silpheed new Reply to this message
Posted byZeroKnightRaiden
Posted on10/17/04 03:28 PM



Doesn't suck too bad for something so ridiculously cheap and available.

-nZero




SubjectRe: Don't forget Silpheed new Reply to this message
Posted byR. Belmont
Posted on10/17/04 04:43 PM



> Doesn't suck too bad for something so ridiculously cheap and available.

Yup. And for once, the US version is preferred (the Japanese release had some slowdown issues, being it was a first-gen PS2 title - those were largely fixed for the US release).





SubjectRe: Thanks all - looks like its worth it ;-) new Reply to this message
Posted byIron Man
Posted on10/17/04 05:24 PM



> > Doesn't suck too bad for something so ridiculously cheap and available.
>
> Yup. And for once, the US version is preferred (the Japanese release had some
> slowdown issues, being it was a first-gen PS2 title - those were largely fixed
> for the US release).
>


So long...


'Now the time is here
for Iron Man to spread fear,
Vengeance from the grave
kills the people he once saved
'
Black Sabbath '70
*grunt* Metal *gnarf*


SubjectRe: Don't forget Silpheed new Reply to this message
Posted byIceMan
Posted on10/17/04 06:05 PM



I got the UK version which looks okay too, though it's a tad too difficult for my liking and I preferred the Mega-CD version where some(most) levels were in space as opposed to all ground based.

In fact I got Thunderhawk Operation Phoenix too, which means I have all games in both the Thunderhawk and Silpheed series!

Ice

> > Doesn't suck too bad for something so ridiculously cheap and available.
>
> Yup. And for once, the US version is preferred (the Japanese release had some
> slowdown issues, being it was a first-gen PS2 title - those were largely fixed
> for the US release).
>





SubjectI didn't much care for it new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on10/17/04 08:11 PM



I count it as one of Treasure's biggest fumbles :(




SubjectRe: Don't forget Gradius 3 +4, 5 new Reply to this message
Posted bymamegodx
Posted on10/18/04 06:39 PM



Gradius V has to be the best shooter ever... amazing eye candy and nice tight old school gameplay.



> Doesn't suck too bad for something so ridiculously cheap and available.
>
> -nZero
>
>



SubjectHe mentioned those in the original post new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on10/18/04 07:05 PM



which is why i didn't mention them again.

Plus I think Gradius 3 is meh and 4 is crap. Treasure sure did pull an ace out of their ass with V though. I thought that it was going to be another Silpheed:The Lost Planet, but it's their best shooter yet.




SubjectRe: He mentioned those in the original post new Reply to this message
Posted byVmprHntrD
Posted on10/18/04 10:15 PM



Have to mostly agree on that... Gradius 4 was awful... I couldn't stand to play it when I had it, and as far as Gradius 3 goes I love it on SNES, and there was no worthwhile merit to it on PS2 to me. Yah the SNES one has a tad bit of flicker and slowdown, but it didn't have load times. :)




SubjectRe: Hope you like importing stuff new Reply to this message
Posted byVideoman
Posted on10/23/04 02:00 AM



> Shienryu got released as a budget title with its terribly bland sequel (which
> was originally planned to be a DC game but got cancelled). If you've ever played
> Daioh in MAME, Shienryu is basically a heavilly upgraded version of it. The
> Saturn version was arcade perfect, but the Playstation versions had assloads of
> slowdown. the PS2 version is arade perfect, but IIRC it doesn't include all of
> the extra modes from the playstation versions. Still, for 2000 yen it's a killer
> deal. Watch out for that sequel though..it's pretty damn bad.

Interesting. I loved Diaoh in the arcade. (I could get to the last boss in a single game, bastard killed me though, had to continue once, that was the closest I got to finishing the arcade in one game.) I also picked up the PSX "Shinryu", and it was close to the same (similar levels, bosses, etc.), but for some reason.. it just didn't have the same "gusto", as the arcade one. Something just wasn't the same for me, at least. I didn't know about the Saturn one, nor the PS2 version, thanks. I'm curious about the "sequel" too - are you saying, that they also made *another* game, for PSX?

> Fantasy Zone will be coming out in the US on the Sega Ages disc along with 9
> other games, and it's going to be $20

I'm looking forward to that disc too, although I have to admit being guilty of not picking up the US Saturn SegaAges discs when I had the chance. :(

> Golden Axe is also on the disc, and it sucks new york
> hardcore. You need to play it just so that you can
> appreciate all of the good games more.

Interesting. Do you remember the re-vamped versions of Streets of Rage, and Golden Axe, that Sega did, for a collections disc for the SegaCD? They re-did some of the audio with speech samples and stuff, that used the PCM sound chip in the SegaCD unit. I'll have to check my collection, I hope I have that disc. The sound effects in GA were much-improved over the regular Genesis version, but I think that they also cut it down to one-player at the same time due to memory issues.

> Star Soldier isn't terrible, it's just seriously retro. and slow.

For what system? I have a couple of PCE/TG16 S.S. titles, along with the NES version. I rather liked those games, along with Blazing Lasers. (Beat "God of Game" mode - if you can. I did. :) )

I feel like digging out my copy of Raiden Project for PSX and playing it. Now look what you did! :P





SubjectRe: Hope you like importing stuff new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on10/23/04 04:46 PM




> Interesting. I loved Diaoh in the arcade. (I could get to the last boss in a
> single game, bastard killed me though, had to continue once, that was the
> closest I got to finishing the arcade in one game.) I also picked up the PSX
> "Shinryu", and it was close to the same (similar levels, bosses, etc.), but for
> some reason.. it just didn't have the same "gusto", as the arcade one. Something
> just wasn't the same for me, at least. I didn't know about the Saturn one, nor
> the PS2 version, thanks. I'm curious about the "sequel" too - are you saying,
> that they also made *another* game, for PSX?
>

Shienryu/Gekioh on Playstation was cool (yay for budget titles), but suffered from extreme slowdown that really detracted from it. It was nice that all of the music was stored in an XA file for easy ripping though :)

The sequel really feels bland and still unfinished. IIRC it was going to be a Dreamcast/Naomi game. It's the only other game in the series, AFAIK

> Interesting. Do you remember the re-vamped versions of Streets of Rage, and
> Golden Axe, that Sega did, for a collections disc for the SegaCD?

Never played that disc :( I'll have to look arund and see if I can find it. I'm really bummed at how shitty the PS2 remake is.

> > Star Soldier isn't terrible, it's just seriously retro. and slow.
>
> For what system? I have a couple of PCE/TG16 S.S. titles, along with the NES
> version.

It's a remake of the NES version

> I feel like digging out my copy of Raiden Project for PSX and playing it. Now
> look what you did! :P
>

Now you need to track down Raiden DX for playstation. It got rereleased last year as a budget title (like 1500yen or something). After playing RaidenDX, you just can't go back to Raiden I / II :(




SubjectRe: Hope you like importing stuff new Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on10/24/04 05:09 AM






Sorry to hijack this thread, but I also have a question about rare PS2 stuff. I really want to get some decent PS2 games like Rez and Ico, but you can't seem to get them anywhere. Does anyone know any shops or online stores in the UK where they do rare games like this?
There's always eBay of course, but I'd like to try to get it new if pos first...

Also I heard Rez was coming out on Platinum soon, is that true?


"Tread the well-trodden path well..."



SubjectRez n' Ico new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on10/24/04 10:34 AM



Rez is getting rereleased as a budget title in November, last I heard. (NTSC; not sure about PAL)

Ico shouldn't be too hard to find (again, speaking of the NTSC version). It's available brand new just about anywhere from $10 - $15 (though it appears Gamestop.com wants to charge $30...which is damn near twice the price of what they're charging for it in store).

Really don't know much about PAL availability, though. Sorry.




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