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SubjectHanman - CCS64 is not "Shareware" new Reply to this message
Posted byTrebor
Posted on11/13/04 12:03 PM



The emulator is not crippled or expires in any shape, form or fashion. This emulator has been in active developent for years and the download available to the public is always the full version with no obligations pressed upon the user. Not even a request screen asking for donations to be sent or anything of that nature.

You receive a full functioning C64 emulator with all the bells and whistles. Out of curiosity, where did you see or read the emulator is shareware? Maybe you're thinking, or read somewhere someone thinking of C64S. C64S is an emulator that is shareware (If it is even being delevoped any longer).

-Trebor




SubjectAdditionally.... new Reply to this message
Posted byTrebor
Posted on11/13/04 12:12 PM



The 'what's new' you listed is only general changes that version 3.0 has over the old version 2.0.

An actual "what's new" has not been sited *officially* yet. However, Zophar's (http://www.zophar.net/index.phtml) has the most accurate rendering with changes from v3.0 beta 1.4 to v3.0 beta 1.5 in the following:

"Following a rebuild of the Beta 1.4 sources, CCS64 is now available as Beta 1.5. Changes are not listed explicitly, but here was what was new in the Beta 1.4 rebuild:

-Complete re-build to fix General Protection Fault (GPF) with the Load/QuickLoad State options
-Added 'Window 2x', 'Window 2x ScanLines', 'Window 3x', and 'Window 3x ScanLines' graphics modes"

Note: Thanks to 'SPACE' from Zophar's Domain for the above post.

Actual development can be seen or more accurately followed here:

http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/forum/index.php

Naturally, latest news under this emulator can be found under the 'CCS64 News' forum. All above information (Including the emulator *not* being shareware), can all be verified at the aforementioned message board(s).

-Trebor



SubjectRe: Hanman - CCS64 is not "Shareware" new Reply to this message
Posted byHawq
Posted on11/13/04 12:22 PM



> The emulator is not crippled or expires in any shape, form or fashion. This
> emulator has been in active developent for years and the download available to
> the public is always the full version with no obligations pressed upon the user.
> Not even a request screen asking for donations to be sent or anything of that
> nature.
>
> You receive a full functioning C64 emulator with all the bells and whistles.
> Out of curiosity, where did you see or read the emulator is shareware?
Presumably he read it in the same place I did on the homepage where it states
'CCS64 is shareware. This means that the program is free to use and to copy, but if you like it and use it regularly I would appreciate that you would register the program'

The wise man knows when he does not know enough


SubjectIn defense of Hanman new Reply to this message
Posted byTheInformer
Posted on11/15/04 02:30 AM




To quote, directly from the CCS64 home page:

CCS64 is a Commodore 64 Emulator for PC and also in the future other platforms. It was developed by me, Per Håkan Sundell, as my Master Thesis at my university in 1995 and have been expanded a lot since then. My personal interest in the C64 has been very intensive since 1983 when I was spending nearly all my time with it, and I was deeply involved in the so called "Scene". When I later in 1987 bought my Amiga 500, I missed the old good times I had with my C64 and since then I have tried my very best to make all the old programs to work on my new machines. One of my first attempts was to resurrect the old C64 music, the famous SID chip. In 1990 I and Ron Birk released a demo called "100 most remembered C64 tunes" which was very popular, and in 1991 we released the very first tool for Amiga called "PlaySID" which later inspired a lot of similar programs on other platforms.

CCS64 is shareware. This means that the program is free to use and to copy, but if you like it and use it regularly I would appreciate that you would register the program. The reason for this is that I have spent countless of hours of making and maintaining CCS64, and without some contribution from you, it would be completely impossible for me to continue with developing it, as I have a really full-time low-paid work as a Ph.D.-Student/Teacher/Researcher and I am not especially rich. I really thank all the people that have contributed so far, as they have made it possible for me to have quite up-to-date computers. Other benefits with registering, except from making me very happy is that there probably will be (and already are) special features in the program that are only for registered users. And while considering implementing new ideas and improvements, the suggestions that I get from registered users are of course considered at highest priority.

CCS64 is a program that runs on your PC that turns your computer into an old Commodore 64 computer. This means that the program simulates, or rather emulates the old computer, enabling you to run most of the old software you had for that old machine, running it just like it would in the past. Of course there are some small differences compared to the real thing, but my goal has been to minimize the differences as much as it is possible.


Now, of course, nowhere does it say the emulator is
crippled but it does say it is shareware. What you're
thinking of is called 'crippleware'. Crippleware is
software that has features disabled until a registration
fee is paid and a code is given out, then the software
becomes fully functional. CCS64 is pure shareware - fully
functional software in which the author asks for a donation
if you like his work.

I'm not cracking on you Trebor, just clarifying.







SubjectMy apologizes to Hanman - On the other hand... Reply to this message
Posted byTrebor
Posted on11/15/04 08:27 AM



...I'm quite shocked at the use of "shareware" by the author. Thanks everyone below for pointing out my (obvious) mistake - How embarrassing - Right on the main/homepage by the author himself.

However, I still believe CCS64 is not "shareware". "Crippleware" as The Informer explained in his post is the same definition or description of what "shareware" usually is as software. Shareware programs usually have one or more of the following 'features': Time limit of use, limited usage (In general), or/and certain functionality disabled or only partly implemented until you 'register' or 'pay' for the program.

My 'gripe' or concern of how the news was posted is the message: "Unfortunately it is shareware". Which (at least to me) gives the sense of what I defined above - Some thing/things are missing or disabled in this emulator until you pay/register for it. The fact is with CCS64 is that it functions and works just like any other so-called "free" emulators. Besides, it is a nice alternative to people who may not wish to use VICE. I didn't want users to feel discouraged in using or trying the emulator because it is 'branded' Shareware (When indeed it is *nothing* like a 'typical' shareware program/application).

Nonetheless, my apologizes again to Hanman. However, poor choice of description of the emulator by the author. I would not describe CCS64 as shareware. I believe the majority would interpet it to mean what I described above.

-Trebor




SubjectI wonder new Reply to this message
Posted byTheInformer
Posted on11/15/04 11:21 AM




The text on the author's main page suggests that there
are 'features' that are only enabled for people who give
donations.

I wonder what those features are?






SubjectWow... new Reply to this message
Posted byTrebor
Posted on11/15/04 12:04 PM



>
> The text on the author's main page suggests that there
> are 'features' that are only enabled for people who give
> donations.
>
> I wonder what those features are?
>

Now, you pricked my curiosity as well. The emulator appears complete in ever sense (Very accurate too - with many bells and whistles as well). Maybe 'advance' hardware support? Don't know what any 'additional' features could possibly entail. Emulator runs everything I throw at it and even supports the HardSID card. No need to register for anything.

Perhaps that main page hasn't been updated for awhile - Same page since V1.5 of the emulator. Maybe back then there was a difference? Perhaps something different with version 2.0 (Although I don't recall anything - Been following/using the emulator since V2.0).

-Trebor




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