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SubjectRe: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games? Reply to this message
Posted byMalice
Posted on11/22/04 12:52 PM



> > > So does this mean someone may have made some progress on understanding the
> > CPS2
> > > encryption?
> >
> > Nope.
>
> I think the "hackers" just found what bytes to change in the XOR, so that in the
> decrypted rom image they will make the software think it's from another
> region... old region switch hack found in old emulators, that made games do
> weird stuff and freeze now and then.
>
> With some effort, you could probably craft xors that make street fighter alpha
> work like pacman, without knowing a thing about CPS2 encryption.
>
>

This line makes me think other wise.

"these new XOR's contain incorrect information in relation to what the real encryption would return for many addresses when compared to real hardware."

If they were just changing code to alter the region it wouldn't affect the game. Other than the normal problems of using region codes with some games. I think what he's getting at is some clone games may use the same encryption key. And since the code would be similar too the XOR works. But different revs. or regions will still have code changes that would be incorrect when you apply an XOR not made for it.

If this is true it leads me to speculate that the key could be quite small if there's a lot of games that work like this. The remaining games could be brute forced easily if the algorithm was known.

Consider this why would someone bother hacking XOR's to do a region switch when most CPS2 emu's support region switching. And why would Raz comment on something that pathetic? Really no one would care.


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*Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 04:49 AM
.*CHK OUT http://www.emuchrist.org/therazfiles/therazfiles1.html NT  rocko72071ll11/27/04 09:00 PM
..*Re: CHK OUT http://www.emuchrist.org/therazfiles/therazfiles1.html NT  finaldave11/27/04 10:20 PM
.*HMmm  TheDarkAbyss11/26/04 09:37 PM
..*Horray! CPS-3 please? -nt-  LordEvilElmo11/27/04 01:12 PM
...*CPS3 can only be emulated by brute forcing the boards up TheDarkAbyss's anus -nt-  Johnick11/28/04 07:28 PM
....*CPS3 Hint  TheDarkAbyss11/30/04 02:23 AM
.....*JUSTIFY OR DELETE!  TheDarkAbyss12/01/04 03:15 PM
.*Don't bother with them at all.....  smf11/23/04 06:13 AM
..*Quick Question!   Shawn11/23/04 04:55 PM
..*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/23/04 01:22 PM
...*Plz send your wife to bitch us out again NT thx  Ryu_Saotome11/27/04 07:18 AM
...*WENDYSHOCK WILL FOREVER 0WN J00 )nt( 0WNAG3  InspectorGadget11/26/04 01:55 PM
...*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/23/04 07:08 PM
....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/24/04 07:24 AM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/25/04 07:26 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/25/04 05:47 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  VmprHntrD11/26/04 01:42 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 07:19 AM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Twisty11/26/04 05:55 PM
.........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:52 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/25/04 06:45 PM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 07:21 AM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/26/04 00:15 AM
.........*People don't have obligations to you.  dean11/26/04 09:09 AM
..........*Re: People don't have obligations to you.  Razoola11/26/04 01:10 PM
...........*Re: People don't have obligations to you.  Fakester11/26/04 06:35 PM
.........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/26/04 02:34 AM
..........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/26/04 01:27 PM
...........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  smf11/30/04 12:20 PM
............*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/30/04 07:54 PM
.............*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  smf12/02/04 01:01 PM
.............*Get some help :| -nt-  Purple Rain12/01/04 00:49 AM
...........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:29 PM
...........*Gimme more XOR's ahead of release, biotch. )nt( rename to vsav and run in finalburn  InspectorGadget11/26/04 01:59 PM
....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/23/04 07:35 PM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/25/04 07:23 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/25/04 06:15 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 08:21 AM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:44 AM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/24/04 07:29 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:38 PM
...*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Purple Rain11/23/04 02:04 PM
.*Send paypal to Cash00la for details *nt*  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 02:23 PM
..*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
..*My god  finaldave11/22/04 06:21 PM
...*Post deleted by Goblin  Goblin12/03/04 10:57 AM
....*Tekken sux NT whore  Ryu_Saotome12/04/04 03:19 PM
...*Will Retrogames please unban me from their message boards -nt-  Johnick11/23/04 08:06 PM
...*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:12 AM
....*If you rename roms I quit the scene *nt* kthnxbye  BBQmyNUTZ11/23/04 00:37 AM
.....*LOL!!!! How someone could say that without feeling stupid about themselves is beyond me! -nt-  Purple Rain11/23/04 08:37 PM
......*LOL  finaldave11/25/04 07:23 AM
.....*At least  Smitdogg11/23/04 12:53 PM
...*People, what have you done *nt* Locked him in his golden cage  wildcat11/22/04 10:53 PM
...*Re: My god  Fakester11/22/04 07:39 PM
....*Re: My god  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:24 PM
.....*Re: Why have you forsaken me -nt-  lux_9288611/23/04 11:21 AM
..*Re: What no zombie dog jokes? (nt)  Malice11/22/04 02:33 PM
...*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
...*Re: What no zombie dog jokes? (nt)  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:25 PM
.*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Roman11/22/04 06:46 AM
..*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
..*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Terry Bogard11/22/04 09:30 AM
....Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Malice11/22/04 12:52 PM
....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:08 AM
....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 01:56 PM
.....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Terry Bogard11/22/04 02:38 PM
......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 02:46 PM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:10 AM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  MrClick11/22/04 05:40 PM
........*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Purple Rain11/22/04 06:54 PM
........*My question then is....  Shawn11/22/04 06:33 PM
.........*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/25/04 07:12 AM
.........*Re: My question then is....  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:29 PM
..........*Re: My question then is....  Targaff11/24/04 01:16 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/25/04 07:33 AM
............*Re: My question then is....  finaldave11/26/04 08:03 PM
............*Re: My question then is....  Razoola11/26/04 00:26 AM
.............*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/26/04 07:47 AM
..............*Re: My question then is....  smf11/30/04 12:43 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  BBQmyNUTZ11/24/04 05:29 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  MetalFox11/24/04 01:25 PM
..........*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:14 AM
..........*Re: My question then is....  Shawn11/22/04 10:55 PM
.....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Malice11/22/04 02:31 PM
......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 02:39 PM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  [Haze]11/23/04 02:44 AM
........*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:16 AM
........*Well if any good has come from this, its got Kai's ass out of retirement -nt-  Johnick11/23/04 08:12 PM
.........*Most would disagree that it is a good thing. Heh... *nt*  BBQmyNUTZ11/24/04 05:30 PM