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SubjectRe: Don't bother with them at all..... Reply to this message
Posted by[Haze]
Posted on11/25/04 06:45 PM



> > > > consider that charles shared many gigabytes of data, most of the early
> table
> > > > dumps he provided were 1gb+ in size, you supplied a couple of meg of data,
> > > > having more data, from more than one game, obviously helps.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Of course.. The basic fact is that I diddent have gigabytes of data to
> share,
> > > All the data I had at the time was shared period, I did not hold any back.
> > >
> > > Raz
> > >
> >
> > You LIE.
> >
> > You intentionally edited the XORs that were originally released, to remove
> > portions that appeared to be encrypted data (not code), because you were
> afraid
> > that someone would have been able to make use of those addresses to break the
> > encryption.
> >
> > You admitted that yourself, later on.
> >
> > Go smoke some more herb, Raz, maybe you will believe... whatever you want to
> > believe...
> >
>
> This is why I have no motivation to do any more with comments like that. The
> portions removed from the XORs are infact data that is not encrypted and thus no
> xor data is needed. Indeed I removed it on purpose I have never denied that, in
> fact I made it very clear what I did on the very first xor release. But you know
> this already and are distorting facts..., again.
>
> As CPS2 has a 2004 game it will be another 3 years before I even consider making
> public any data I may choose to get to help break the algo. If you have a
> problem with that then Ill say what I've been saying for 3 years already... Go
> and get the data yourself!
>

and this is the reason many devs are fed up with you... throwing away data is *never* a good idea if there is no way of reproducing it otherwise.

yes, you can argue it wasn't decrypting code, but it would have provided values that might have been useful in building full tables at a later date (although i still suspect we'll need all the boards again to get complete keys) the only benefit of throwing away that data is making the xors smaller, the disadvantages by far outweigh that.

you are the only one distorting facts, throwing away/changing data, and generally making it harder for other people. I'm not a big fan of videoman myself but in this case he is right.


> Raz
>


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*Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 04:49 AM
.*CHK OUT http://www.emuchrist.org/therazfiles/therazfiles1.html NT  rocko72071ll11/27/04 09:00 PM
..*Re: CHK OUT http://www.emuchrist.org/therazfiles/therazfiles1.html NT  finaldave11/27/04 10:20 PM
.*HMmm  TheDarkAbyss11/26/04 09:37 PM
..*Horray! CPS-3 please? -nt-  LordEvilElmo11/27/04 01:12 PM
...*CPS3 can only be emulated by brute forcing the boards up TheDarkAbyss's anus -nt-  Johnick11/28/04 07:28 PM
....*CPS3 Hint  TheDarkAbyss11/30/04 02:23 AM
.....*JUSTIFY OR DELETE!  TheDarkAbyss12/01/04 03:15 PM
.*Don't bother with them at all.....  smf11/23/04 06:13 AM
..*Quick Question!   Shawn11/23/04 04:55 PM
..*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/23/04 01:22 PM
...*Plz send your wife to bitch us out again NT thx  Ryu_Saotome11/27/04 07:18 AM
...*WENDYSHOCK WILL FOREVER 0WN J00 )nt( 0WNAG3  InspectorGadget11/26/04 01:55 PM
...*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/23/04 07:08 PM
....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/24/04 07:24 AM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/25/04 07:26 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/25/04 05:47 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  VmprHntrD11/26/04 01:42 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 07:19 AM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Twisty11/26/04 05:55 PM
.........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:52 PM
........Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/25/04 06:45 PM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 07:21 AM
........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/26/04 00:15 AM
.........*People don't have obligations to you.  dean11/26/04 09:09 AM
..........*Re: People don't have obligations to you.  Razoola11/26/04 01:10 PM
...........*Re: People don't have obligations to you.  Fakester11/26/04 06:35 PM
.........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  [Haze]11/26/04 02:34 AM
..........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/26/04 01:27 PM
...........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  smf11/30/04 12:20 PM
............*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/30/04 07:54 PM
.............*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  smf12/02/04 01:01 PM
.............*Get some help :| -nt-  Purple Rain12/01/04 00:49 AM
...........*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:29 PM
...........*Gimme more XOR's ahead of release, biotch. )nt( rename to vsav and run in finalburn  InspectorGadget11/26/04 01:59 PM
....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/23/04 07:35 PM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/25/04 07:23 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/25/04 06:15 PM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Videoman11/26/04 08:21 AM
.......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:44 AM
.....*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Razoola11/24/04 07:29 AM
......*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  finaldave11/26/04 07:38 PM
...*Re: Don't bother with them at all.....  Purple Rain11/23/04 02:04 PM
.*Send paypal to Cash00la for details *nt*  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 02:23 PM
..*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
..*My god  finaldave11/22/04 06:21 PM
...*Post deleted by Goblin  Goblin12/03/04 10:57 AM
....*Tekken sux NT whore  Ryu_Saotome12/04/04 03:19 PM
...*Will Retrogames please unban me from their message boards -nt-  Johnick11/23/04 08:06 PM
...*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:12 AM
....*If you rename roms I quit the scene *nt* kthnxbye  BBQmyNUTZ11/23/04 00:37 AM
.....*LOL!!!! How someone could say that without feeling stupid about themselves is beyond me! -nt-  Purple Rain11/23/04 08:37 PM
......*LOL  finaldave11/25/04 07:23 AM
.....*At least  Smitdogg11/23/04 12:53 PM
...*People, what have you done *nt* Locked him in his golden cage  wildcat11/22/04 10:53 PM
...*Re: My god  Fakester11/22/04 07:39 PM
....*Re: My god  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:24 PM
.....*Re: Why have you forsaken me -nt-  lux_9288611/23/04 11:21 AM
..*Re: What no zombie dog jokes? (nt)  Malice11/22/04 02:33 PM
...*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
...*Re: What no zombie dog jokes? (nt)  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:25 PM
.*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Roman11/22/04 06:46 AM
..*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:13 AM
..*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Terry Bogard11/22/04 09:30 AM
...*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Malice11/22/04 12:52 PM
....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:08 AM
....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 01:56 PM
.....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Terry Bogard11/22/04 02:38 PM
......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 02:46 PM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:10 AM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  MrClick11/22/04 05:40 PM
........*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Purple Rain11/22/04 06:54 PM
........*My question then is....  Shawn11/22/04 06:33 PM
.........*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/25/04 07:12 AM
.........*Re: My question then is....  BBQmyNUTZ11/22/04 10:29 PM
..........*Re: My question then is....  Targaff11/24/04 01:16 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/25/04 07:33 AM
............*Re: My question then is....  finaldave11/26/04 08:03 PM
............*Re: My question then is....  Razoola11/26/04 00:26 AM
.............*Re: My question then is....  Videoman11/26/04 07:47 AM
..............*Re: My question then is....  smf11/30/04 12:43 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  BBQmyNUTZ11/24/04 05:29 PM
...........*Re: My question then is....  MetalFox11/24/04 01:25 PM
..........*Justify or Delete (nt)  Smitdogg11/23/04 00:14 AM
..........*Re: My question then is....  Shawn11/22/04 10:55 PM
.....*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Malice11/22/04 02:31 PM
......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Shawn11/22/04 02:39 PM
.......*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  [Haze]11/23/04 02:44 AM
........*Re: Hacked xor's to run previously un-xored cps2 games?  Videoman11/25/04 07:16 AM
........*Well if any good has come from this, its got Kai's ass out of retirement -nt-  Johnick11/23/04 08:12 PM
.........*Most would disagree that it is a good thing. Heh... *nt*  BBQmyNUTZ11/24/04 05:30 PM