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SubjectRe: how come N64 and PSX emus stop? Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on12/20/04 01:25 PM



> with N64 I think HLE and hacks took it as far as possible, true emulation would
> be slow, unpopular and 'look like crap' to the kiddies, anybody who wrote one
> would probably be flamed to death like mamedev get for the 'slow drivers'
>
> Last time I checked PSX seemed pretty well covered between the emus, with the
> vast catalogue of games the PSX had there are bound to be a couple of games that
> don't work without 100% exact emulation, again more difficult when using
> recompilers and hle techniques to speed things up.


I don't want to sound ungrateful, I do appreciate all the PSX emulators out there, but there's one thing which winds me up about them. Maybe I'm not alone... it's the plug-in system.

When I download an emulator I don't want to spend half an hour paging through a whizzy Wizard, configuring Null gamepad adaptors and 'John Does optmized DX9 renderer', figuring out whether I need a IRQ hack or Audio CD sound. I just want it to work. Sometimes it feels like the user is doing half the programming to make the stupid thing work (ok slight exaggeration there!).

I mean, Nesticle, Genecyst, KGen, you downloaded it, selected a rom and then ran it. Simple as! It worked out of the box. I appreciate the fact that you need a BIOS with PSX, but surely that's only one more step.
Why this obsession with increasing amount of fluff and complexity? Why not just make the thing run out of the box? Would it be so hard?

Okay a plugin system has it's reasons for being there, but why not provide some sensible defaults so the user doesn't have to configure it so much?


> > Probably because the entire lot of them as above said they were attention
> > grabbers for new systems.
> >
> > BUT...
> >
> > I think there is an even larger reason. General stupidity and complacency.
> > Take both Project64 and 1964 for example. Each has a strong backbone but are
> > useless with out plugins. These plugins sadly are limiting and can only go so
> > far. PJ64 1.5 had a good year or so lead over 1964 0.99 release from a year
> > ago. 1964 claimed it would be the best, yet they lied and just bet the farm
> off
> > the stupid RICE plugin. If you inject the plugin into PJ64, both run all the
> > same shit just as well as the other does.
> >
> > Disgusting no?
> >
> > This is an issue with both the N64 and PSX and sadly I doubt unless someone
> who
> > is not incompetent shows up to correct the problem and makes a full on
> > non-plugin bullshit emulator for either system it will never get any better.
> >
> >
>
>
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*how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  rimmerchant12/15/04 10:59 AM
.*Virtual Game Station  lion212/20/04 03:41 PM
..*Re: Virtual Game Station  finaldave12/23/04 06:26 AM
.*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  VmprHntrD12/15/04 02:34 PM
..*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  [Haze]12/16/04 01:34 PM
....Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  finaldave12/20/04 01:25 PM
....*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  VmprHntrD12/20/04 03:05 PM
.....*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  smf12/21/04 10:39 AM
......*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  finaldave12/23/04 06:24 AM
.......*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  Pete B.12/31/04 05:21 AM
...*How slow would you say an N64 emu would be taking the MAME approach?  Death Knight12/16/04 01:53 PM
....*2 GHz, 2.5 if you're not clever (nt) I'm serious.  R. Belmont12/17/04 08:10 PM
.....*Wow, you serious? NT Guess it's an even bigger shame nobody's stepped up for it yet.  Death Knight12/17/04 08:38 PM
......*Re: Wow, you serious? ...  VmprHntrD12/17/04 11:45 PM
....*Re: How slow...  Sixtoe12/16/04 04:49 PM
..*That's what puzzles me...  Death Knight12/15/04 03:51 PM
...*Re: That's what puzzles me...  VmprHntrD12/15/04 04:33 PM
.*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  MooglyGuy12/15/04 11:46 AM
..*Re: how come N64 and PSX emus stop?  rimmerchant12/15/04 10:15 PM