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SubjectAnd so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRenegade
Posted on01/01/05 07:33 PM



Not taking sides as you decide.......

CPS-2 Shock.....
Blatant Lies

As many people will know Gurus (MAME Dev) page (http:/unemulated.emuunlim.com) at a point showed that he had recieved a Progear board donated for dumping. People will also know that HAZE (MAME Dev) had said publically on IRC that Guru would release the dump once a XOR was available. It now turns out that he never recieved this game in the first place and the whole thing was a lie.

My only advice to this is for people to be wary before thinking about donating to these people and to also take stuff that comes out of HAZE's mouth with a pinch of salt because he is a lier, he has already told enough about me that are totally false.

As a result of this it means that progear will not be playable until either guru gets hold of a board and dumps it or xacrow releases his dump (which is not going to happen). I would have posted this on the Retrogames message boards but as HAZE has banned me from there (abuse of his moderator rating) this seems like the next best place.

End CPS-2 Shock....


So was Guru actually lieing when he did announce awhile back that he did get the board for dumping?

Again.... here we go..... so I guess now it's up to Guru to either yea or nay whether he really had the board or not.

(hangs head and just shrugs)
Renegade



SubjectNot playable?!? Yet Raz has crisp progear screenshiots all over his website -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted byShawn
Posted on01/01/05 07:47 PM



> Not taking sides as you decide.......
>
> CPS-2 Shock.....
> Blatant Lies
>
> As many people will know Gurus (MAME Dev) page (http:/unemulated.emuunlim.com)
> at a point showed that he had recieved a Progear board donated for dumping.
> People will also know that HAZE (MAME Dev) had said publically on IRC that Guru
> would release the dump once a XOR was available. It now turns out that he never
> recieved this game in the first place and the whole thing was a lie.
>
> My only advice to this is for people to be wary before thinking about donating
> to these people and to also take stuff that comes out of HAZE's mouth with a
> pinch of salt because he is a lier, he has already told enough about me that are
> totally false.
>
> As a result of this it means that progear will not be playable until either guru
> gets hold of a board and dumps it or xacrow releases his dump (which is not
> going to happen). I would have posted this on the Retrogames message boards but
> as HAZE has banned me from there (abuse of his moderator rating) this seems like
> the next best place.
>
> End CPS-2 Shock....
>
>
> So was Guru actually lieing when he did announce awhile back that he did get
> the board for dumping?
>
> Again.... here we go..... so I guess now it's up to Guru to either yea or nay
> whether he really had the board or not.
>
> (hangs head and just shrugs)
> Renegade
>



SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byR. Belmont
Posted on01/01/05 07:58 PM



Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable to assume Raz is lying.




SubjectRe:Probably but was Guru too? just curious...-nt- new Reply to this message
Posted byRenegade
Posted on01/01/05 08:02 PM



> Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> to assume Raz is lying.
>


Hey! seen the new game called Asteroids ?!?!
http://mamefan.freeservers.com/


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted bySune_S
Posted on01/01/05 08:08 PM



> Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> to assume Raz is lying.

Whatever happened to "advanced screen-grabbing equipment"..?

You are hereby awarded 10 inconsistency points.

:-)

-Sune





SubjectYeah, like inconsistency is a new fucking concept with MAME *nt* new Reply to this message
Posted byMooglyGuy
Posted on01/01/05 08:28 PM



> > Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> > to assume Raz is lying.
>
> Whatever happened to "advanced screen-grabbing equipment"..?
>
> You are hereby awarded 10 inconsistency points.
>
> :-)
>
> -Sune
>



SubjectGeez, go get laid or something.. new Reply to this message
Posted bySune_S
Posted on01/01/05 08:40 PM



..yeah, I know, look who's talking, anyway, it was just a joke and aimed specifically at RB, not MAME!

;-)

-Sune




Subjectshyeah, and anyone that believes those are shots from video capture software is a tool. -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted bySatsuNoHiTo
Posted on01/01/05 10:15 PM



adfas




SubjectMy advice .. don't get involved in emulation ploitics ... new Reply to this message
Posted byJAW
Posted on01/01/05 10:18 PM



Honestly, who cares about all of this happy horseshit? If you get involved with the political side of emulation, you are asking for trouble. There are no winners. You end up pissing off people for what reason? Emulation then is no longer a fun hobby. So now you throw insults at Haze and Guru. What are you hoping to accomplish doing that? Honestly, sit back and enjoy the thing that emulation is really all about - EMULATION. Emulation is NOT about emulating new games just so people can have the romziez!



Jason


SubjectRe: My advice .. don't get involved in emulation ploitics ... new Reply to this message
Posted byRenegade
Posted on01/01/05 10:36 PM



>So now you throw insults at Haze and Guru.

I didn't throw any insults at anyone. I just posted what was already posted at CPS2-shock and that's all.

I am saddened by all of the insults being thrown around by different people and Raz isn't the only one that has done it and one thing I can say atleast Haze is smart enough not to become involved with most of it.

But the fact is that there are people in the emu scene that do have this type of attitude as is evident on some of the boards sometimes, much like some that have certain rom dumps only to post about having it and then when someone ask for it, be it an average person, mamedev, etc. the bull#hit starts.

Honestly if it were me and I had something that would add to the community be it code or a rare rom file the whole world would have it. You know it's nice to see something sitting on your computer that others would like but I find more joy in sharing than I do with hoarding. Now there are certain things that should stay out of circulation I do agree but the majority is held back because of attitude not out of principals.

Renegade

Hey! seen the new game called Asteroids ?!?!
http://mamefan.freeservers.com/


SubjectYou are so wrong... new Reply to this message
Posted byBBQmyNUTZ
Posted on01/01/05 11:06 PM



> Not taking sides as you decide.......
>
> CPS-2 Shock.....
> Blatant Lies
>
> As many people will know Gurus (MAME Dev) page (http:/unemulated.emuunlim.com)
> at a point showed that he had recieved a Progear board donated for dumping.
> People will also know that HAZE (MAME Dev) had said publically on IRC that Guru
> would release the dump once a XOR was available. It now turns out that he never
> recieved this game in the first place and the whole thing was a lie.
>
> My only advice to this is for people to be wary before thinking about donating
> to these people and to also take stuff that comes out of HAZE's mouth with a
> pinch of salt because he is a lier, he has already told enough about me that are
> totally false.
>
> As a result of this it means that progear will not be playable until either guru
> gets hold of a board and dumps it or xacrow releases his dump (which is not
> going to happen). I would have posted this on the Retrogames message boards but
> as HAZE has banned me from there (abuse of his moderator rating) this seems like
> the next best place.
>
> End CPS-2 Shock....
>
>
> So was Guru actually lieing when he did announce awhile back that he did get
> the board for dumping?
>
> Again.... here we go..... so I guess now it's up to Guru to either yea or nay
> whether he really had the board or not.
>
> (hangs head and just shrugs)
> Renegade
>

Ra$h00000la has never lied or misappropriated donations made to his site in good faith. He's emulation's Mother Teresa incarnate.

Kai


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 05:47 AM



> Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> to assume Raz is lying.
>

Well I can proove I am not lying. I have logs from irc to proove that. Do you really want to go down this road. One can simply use web site cache methods to see that Guru indeed printed on his site that he had recieved that board and then removed it again. Simply look at this cached page to see guru reported he had the PCB.

http://www.google.pl/search?q=cache:UUEgH9-dD5sJ:www.arcadeperfect.com/modules/mylinks/visit.php%3Flid%3D173+progear+site:unemulated.emuunlim.com&hl=pl&client=firefox-a

I can give logs showing gurus reply after he was asked about the pcb yesturday, it was quote;

[22:54] .Sixtoe. you have a board?
[22:54] .TheGuru_. in theory, yes

Come on.. to call me a lyer when you already know I am not, this is the thing that caused the mess in the first place. Plenty of people can say haze was sayng openly that guru had dumped the game and it would be released only after the xors were.

And in case anyone is wondering, I removed the post from CPS2shock in return of having by ban from these forums lifted. A bann that should not have been placed in the first place.

And those wondring about the pictures. They are emulated pictures and not from xacrow either. The point is those ROMs will not be released as the the person who got them wants nothing to do with the emulation scene afaik. Due to the type of thing above.

Raz




SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRecap
Posted on01/02/05 07:07 AM




>
http://www.google.pl/search?q=cache:UUEgH9-dD5sJ:www.arcadeperfect.com/modules/mylinks/v> isit.php?lid=173+progear+site:unemulated.emuunlim.com&hl=pl&client=firefox-a
>
> I can give logs showing gurus reply after he was asked about the pcb yesturday,
> it was quote;
>
> [22:54] .Sixtoe. you have a board?
> [22:54] .TheGuru_. in theory, yes
>

Not to miss the full details, if Guru has the graphic roms, dumped or not, what makes you think he doesn't want to make them public?

Thanks, anyhow, for your xors. I hope you keep them coming. Eco Fighters needs the original Japanese version.



SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 07:15 AM



> Not to miss the full details, if Guru has the graphic roms, dumped or not, what
> makes you think he doesn't want to make them public?

He basically said in the #CPS2shock yesturday that he has not dumped it. Basically he said that he had the pcb donated but it was sold on before it was dumped. Make of that what you will.

Raz




SubjectWeird. new Reply to this message
Posted byRecap
Posted on01/02/05 07:33 AM




> Basically he said that he had the pcb donated but it was sold on before it was dumped.

There must be a reasonable explanation. I'll wait for it before any conclusion.



SubjectRe: Weird. Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 07:48 AM



>
> > Basically he said that he had the pcb donated but it was sold on before it was
> dumped.
>
> There must be a reasonable explanation. I'll wait for it before any conclusion.
>

Yes there could be, just as reasonable as my reason for not being able to give more cps2data due to time constraints. Dosent remove the fact of haze saying that guru had already dumped it openly on irc. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out the whole thing was a lie to try and get xacrow or others to release their dumps, this is the sort of tactics I have seen in the past. Basically somone was lying, either Haze, Guru or both.

As it is now I think Guru is getting a progear board from somone else so it will be dumped soon. It dosent remove the fact of people saying guru had already dumped it.

Raz




SubjectRe: My advice .. don't get involved in emulation ploitics ... new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 08:05 AM



> Honestly, who cares about all of this happy horseshit? If you get involved with
> the political side of emulation, you are asking for trouble. There are no
> winners. You end up pissing off people for what reason? Emulation then is no
> longer a fun hobby. So now you throw insults at Haze and Guru.

I have not thrown insults at anyone, I'm just telling it as it is.

Raz




SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted byRecap
Posted on01/02/05 08:13 AM



You dont have to be a rocket
> scientist to work out the whole thing was a lie to try and get xacrow or others
> to release their dumps, this is the sort of tactics I have seen in the past.

I of course did miss the whole past stuff, but if Guru had the PCB and the tools to dump its graphics roms, why could he be interested in Xacrow's dump? Just wondering.



SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 08:27 AM



> You dont have to be a rocket
> > scientist to work out the whole thing was a lie to try and get xacrow or
> others
> > to release their dumps, this is the sort of tactics I have seen in the past.
>
> I of course did miss the whole past stuff, but if Guru had the PCB and the tools
> to dump its graphics roms, why could he be interested in Xacrow's dump? Just
> wondering.
>

Probably because he would be dumping something that is already dumped but not released. If does seem wastless to dump something again thats already dumped but what can you do when someone refuses to release there dump.

From my understanding they expected xacrow to release his dump once he though that someone else would dump it (this is the sort of things some dumpers have done it the past for sure), Xacrow is not that sort of person though. He is a collector and the stuff he dumps is for his own use (as a collector in case any of his games should develop faults I take it). The reason he gave crc's was so we could put them on CPS2shock only.

You will notice there is also a hyper street fighter 2 dump (not from xacrow). This will also never be released unless someone else dumps It I expect. You see CPS2shock is more based towards people with real hardware now than emulation as a resource base.

Raz





SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted bySixtoe
Posted on01/02/05 10:04 AM



> It dosent remove the fact of people saying guru had already
> dumped it.

No-one ever said it was dumped, Guru's site (and your cache link) says it arrived in a box with some others, not that it was dumped, which it wasnt,

Just the facts please maam'

Six...

System16 - The Arcade Museum


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byGuru1
Posted on01/02/05 10:14 AM



> One can simply use web site cache methods to
> see that Guru indeed printed on his site that he had recieved that board and
> then removed it again. Simply look at this cached page to see guru reported he
> had the PCB.

jesus christ man, i already f***ing told you just a few hours ago. are you really that stupid to bring up this again?

> Plenty of people can say haze was sayng
> openly that guru had dumped the game and it would be released only after the
> xors were.

If Haze said that, he was the only one, and he was uninformed. afaik, no one else was openly saying i'd dumped it, including me.


> And in case anyone is wondering, I removed the post from CPS2shock in return of
> having by ban from these forums lifted. A bann that should not have been placed
> in the first place.

well, you've shit where you eat. probably the ban will be re-instated as soon as Haze returns. Pity you couldnt keep your mouth shut.

Guru
http://unemulated.emuunlim.com


SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 11:18 AM



> > It dosent remove the fact of people saying guru had already
> > dumped it.
>
> No-one ever said it was dumped, Guru's site (and your cache link) says it
> arrived in a box with some others, not that it was dumped, which it wasnt,
>
> Just the facts please maam'
>
> Six...

I diddent say that guru said it was dumped, haze certinally did say that guru had dumped it though but would not release it.

Raz




SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted bySixtoe
Posted on01/02/05 11:31 AM



> > > It dosent remove the fact of people saying guru had already
> > > dumped it.
> >
> > No-one ever said it was dumped, Guru's site (and your cache link) says it
> > arrived in a box with some others, not that it was dumped, which it wasnt,
> >
> > Just the facts please maam'
> >
> > Six...
>
> I diddent say that guru said it was dumped, haze certinally did say that guru
> had dumped it though but would not release it.
>
> Raz
>
He probably got the wrong end of the stick, not the end of the world as they say,

Six...

System16 - The Arcade Museum


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 11:32 AM



> jesus christ man, i already f***ing told you just a few hours ago. are you
> really that stupid to bring up this again?
> i sold it for a lot of money because i knew another one was coming. i removed it
> from my site about 2 weeks ago because i forgot to do it earlier. I don't have
> to answer to you or anyone else for that matter.

The point here is over selling donated boards before they are dumped, some people would find that intresting. From what you said on CPS2shock yesturday it would seem you have never seen a CPS2 simm before.

> If Haze said that, he was the only one, and he was uninformed. afaik, no one
> else was openly saying i'd dumped it, including me.

I have not said that you said you have dumped it. Haze said that you had dumped it, Ive made that very clear.

> well, you've shit where you eat. probably the ban will be re-instated as soon as
> Haze returns. Pity you couldnt keep your mouth shut.

Excuse me but there is nothing here that deserves a ban. Your the one using bad langauge not me. You cant go around banning people for there opinions on a situation unless they start being abusive. Doing stuff like that will escalate the situation again.







SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on01/02/05 01:51 PM



> > Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> > to assume Raz is lying.
> >
>
> Well I can proove I am not lying. I have logs from irc to proove that. Do you
> really want to go down this road. One can simply use web site cache methods to
> see that Guru indeed printed on his site that he had recieved that board and
> then removed it again. Simply look at this cached page to see guru reported he
> had the PCB.
>
http://www.google.pl/search?q=cache:UUEgH9-dD5sJ:www.arcadeperfect.com/modules/mylinks/v> isit.php?lid=173+progear+site:unemulated.emuunlim.com&hl=pl&client=firefox-a
>
> I can give logs showing gurus reply after he was asked about the pcb yesturday,
> it was quote;
>
> [22:54] .Sixtoe. you have a board?
> [22:54] .TheGuru_. in theory, yes
>
> Come on.. to call me a lyer when you already know I am not, this is the thing
> that caused the mess in the first place. Plenty of people can say haze was sayng
> openly that guru had dumped the game and it would be released only after the
> xors were.
>
> And in case anyone is wondering, I removed the post from CPS2shock in return of
> having by ban from these forums lifted. A bann that should not have been placed
> in the first place.
>
> And those wondring about the pictures. They are emulated pictures and not from
> xacrow either. The point is those ROMs will not be released as the the person
> who got them wants nothing to do with the emulation scene afaik. Due to the type
> of thing above.
>
> Raz
>


Fucking hell, is this really Raz? Was he always this bad at spelling?

Attacking MameDev like this is pretty lame.


"You've just got to love those earnest,nerdy types.(They're great in bed.)" - Shirley Manson



SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byRazoola
Posted on01/02/05 02:06 PM



> Fucking hell, is this really Raz? Was he always this bad at spelling?
>
> Attacking MameDev like this is pretty lame.

Come on... Its just the same as the crap that certin MAME devs go around spreading about other people. Certin Devs dish it out so they should expect it back when they do things and get caught out.

If the MAMEdev collective dosent like this rogue element in the DEV that shines a bad light on the entire DEV then they should kick them out in my view, This way the true DEV (who I totally respect myself) can stay away from these peoples silly antics trying to put down other people all the time with no justification.

Raz






SubjectRe: Weird. new Reply to this message
Posted byTargaff
Posted on01/02/05 04:05 PM



> He probably got the wrong end of the stick, not the end of the world as they
> say,

And that can pretty much be applied to the whole kaboodle, since it seems everyone is pulling on the end of a stick and no-one has the whole tree.

As for reselling a donated board, the main reason I can think of is that the offer was so ludicrously profitable for future purchases/work, particularly if another board was available, that it couldn't be ignored. But I get the impression few here are really prepared to look any further than step one and draw conclusions from that.

You know those couples who insist on arguing loudly in the supermarket? Well Haze, Guru and Raz have all jumped in at one time or another with their own little opinions or another without really stopping to think about it, and it's like doing your shopping and having to put up with the constant racket of those couples in the background. Quite frankly all it's done is make everyone concerned look pretty stupid and they should be embarassed that instead of a little decorum they decided to stand in their respective cots and shake their little rattles.


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byMarv
Posted on01/02/05 04:32 PM



> If the MAMEdev collective dosent like this rogue element in the DEV that shines
> a bad light on the entire DEV then they should kick them out in my view, This
> way the true DEV (who I totally respect myself) can stay away from these peoples
> silly antics trying to put down other people all the time with no justification.

Just like the Borg and Hugh.

Yeah, I'm a geek - but you all got the reference.




SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted by[Haze]
Posted on01/02/05 04:55 PM



no no, put the post back, it made me laugh, i prefer zou banned and the post there, ill just enjoz mz holidaz

given the pixel perfect screenshots zou have i think its fairlz obvious who was lying about not having the roms, and as far as i was concerned guru had a progear.

its pretty funnz how people are making a drama out of this, we add games in mame before thez are fullz dumped all the time, we dont make a fuss, we dont kick up a storm, we just get on with things, sharing what we know, when we know it.

so, once i return it will be business as usual, nothing to see here.

> > Given the crispy emulated screenshots and past history I think it's reasonable
> > to assume Raz is lying.
> >
>
> Well I can proove I am not lying. I have logs from irc to proove that. Do you
> really want to go down this road. One can simply use web site cache methods to
> see that Guru indeed printed on his site that he had recieved that board and
> then removed it again. Simply look at this cached page to see guru reported he
> had the PCB.
>
http://www.google.pl/search?q=cache:UUEgH9-dD5sJ:www.arcadeperfect.com/modules/mylinks/v> isit.php?lid=173+progear+site:unemulated.emuunlim.com&hl=pl&client=firefox-a
>
> I can give logs showing gurus reply after he was asked about the pcb yesturday,
> it was quote;
>
> [22:54] .Sixtoe. you have a board?
> [22:54] .TheGuru_. in theory, yes
>
> Come on.. to call me a lyer when you already know I am not, this is the thing
> that caused the mess in the first place. Plenty of people can say haze was sayng
> openly that guru had dumped the game and it would be released only after the
> xors were.
>
> And in case anyone is wondering, I removed the post from CPS2shock in return of
> having by ban from these forums lifted. A bann that should not have been placed
> in the first place.
>
> And those wondring about the pictures. They are emulated pictures and not from
> xacrow either. The point is those ROMs will not be released as the the person
> who got them wants nothing to do with the emulation scene afaik. Due to the type
> of thing above.
>
> Raz
>


Tell Me Why You're Here, I Came To Disappear
http://haze.mame.net/


SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on01/03/05 08:40 AM



> > Fucking hell, is this really Raz? Was he always this bad at spelling?
> >
> > Attacking MameDev like this is pretty lame.
>
> Come on... Its just the same as the crap that certin MAME devs go around
> spreading about other people. Certin Devs dish it out so they should expect it
> back when they do things and get caught out.


But Raz, you are slagging off GURU... aren't you? Has Guru done anything wrong??



> If the MAMEdev collective dosent like this rogue element in the DEV that shines
> a bad light on the entire DEV then they should kick them out in my view, This
> way the true DEV (who I totally respect myself) can stay away from these peoples
> silly antics trying to put down other people all the time with no justification.

Is this back to the XOR row? If so I AGREE with MameDev on that one I'm afraid mate, it's a hack and needs to be sorted out with a real algorithm.....


"You've just got to love those earnest,nerdy types.(They're great in bed.)" - Shirley Manson



SubjectRe: And so it begins.... again.... new Reply to this message
Posted bySmitdogg
Posted on01/03/05 11:54 AM



> > jesus christ man, i already f***ing told you just a few hours ago. are you
> > really that stupid to bring up this again?
> > i sold it for a lot of money because i knew another one was coming. i removed
> it
> > from my site about 2 weeks ago because i forgot to do it earlier. I don't have
> > to answer to you or anyone else for that matter.
>
> The point here is over selling donated boards before they are dumped, some
> people would find that intresting. From what you said on CPS2shock yesturday it
> would seem you have never seen a CPS2 simm before.
>


The Progear board was mine, I generally trust his judgement although I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to play it. Last I heard Gin had it in Japan. What's really going to twist your tittie is when you find out he has my PuzzLoop 2 board. They were both essentially free to me besides shipping so I won't be losing any sleep. I think you 2 just need some quiet alone time. Need to have some hot CPS-2 IRQ cyber sex, cause CPS-2 sin.

Smitdogg

"Your search shall find fatigue instead of roms." -Team Japump



SubjectModerator abuse new Reply to this message
Posted byDarkfalz
Posted on01/03/05 02:26 PM



> Excuse me but there is nothing here that deserves a ban. Your the one using bad
> langauge not me. You cant go around banning people for there opinions on a
> situation unless they start being abusive. Doing stuff like that will escalate
> the situation again.

Boy oh boy, where have you been? Banning people over difference of opinion is how most of the boards on the internet works (not to mention IRC channels) and the majority of abuse is by those "in charge", who obviously are able to get way with it.

My page, including my own simple MAME frontend, TinyFE.
http://darkfalz.kiczek.com/


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