Prepare for the flame war.....

What we have here is an overabundance of mid to late teenage children brought up in an on demand world.

They do not know the work it takes to emulate a piece of arcade hardware, probably 99% of them can't even write a "hello world" program in basic. None are concerned with documenting the hardware. All they want to see is free games. these are the same children who host server's full of ps2 and xbox isos then bitching because their unpaid for illegal copy does not function as the original would, never paying for a game, never working for a living, never producing anything worthy of anyones attention.

You want to play a game full speed? Buy the hardware to do so. Want a version of Tekken 4 that runs full speed and is playable? Check out R.G.V.A.C. and pick one up for around $200 USD. None of these children are entitled anything as they seem to think they are. If someone "hoards roms", they most likely dumped the game and are in possession of the hardware, they have a legal right to have their backup and you do not. You do not own the hardware, which contains the said "hoarded" software. therefore, it being in your possession is illegal. the best way to get the "software" you want is to purchase it and use your own methods to turn those rom chips into something your favorite emulator can understand. The incorrect way is rom begging, and yes...that is what you all are doing. Throwing out accusations of people hoarding the roms for themselves, because you yourself do not have them. They can be obtained, get a job and buy the game.

To those in the anti-Razoola club, he owes you nothing. He asked for donations to obtain and "XOR" the capcom cps2 games. And that is what he did. Yes, the encryption has not been broken, and if it were Capcom would be all over him and all of the emulation projects that are able to execute their code. Why? Because the hardware is still profitable to them. I'm sure some will argue that there is nothing they can sue an emulator author for. My question is. A.)Who has more money? Capcom or the Emulator Authors (including Razoola) B.)Does Capcom know they have more money? C.)Can any of them afford to fight a legal battle with Capcom?
So unless you all want to pay their legal bills, I say Put up or Shut up.

How many emulator authors are tired of being hounded to death by the kids who know nothing except wanting something for free? How many projects have been killed because of these types of people? Retrogames has become a haven for this type of behavior. Yes, the mods may want to keep the board open to free speech, but placing limitations only upon questioning them is no way to moderate a community of this size.

So finally.....

Back off and let them do what they do, or just watch more projects end because of being underappreciated and overirritated.

And of course...blah blah blah..Cps3 this...Cps3 that...Bring it on!

And Ibbo, your are to this board what the FCC is to Howard Stern. A pain in the ass.


TheDarkAbyss

> Prepare for the flame war.....
>
> What we have here is an overabundance of mid to late teenage children brought up
> in an on demand world.
>
> They do not know the work it takes to emulate a piece of arcade hardware,
> probably 99% of them can't even write a "hello world" program in basic. None are
> concerned with documenting the hardware. All they want to see is free games.
> these are the same children who host server's full of ps2 and xbox isos then
> bitching because their unpaid for illegal copy does not function as the original
> would, never paying for a game, never working for a living, never producing
> anything worthy of anyones attention.
>
> You want to play a game full speed? Buy the hardware to do so. Want a version of
> Tekken 4 that runs full speed and is playable? Check out R.G.V.A.C. and pick one
> up for around $200 USD. None of these children are entitled anything as they
> seem to think they are. If someone "hoards roms", they most likely dumped the
> game and are in possession of the hardware, they have a legal right to have
> their backup and you do not. You do not own the hardware, which contains the
> said "hoarded" software. therefore, it being in your possession is illegal. the
> best way to get the "software" you want is to purchase it and use your own
> methods to turn those rom chips into something your favorite emulator can
> understand. The incorrect way is rom begging, and yes...that is what you all are
> doing. Throwing out accusations of people hoarding the roms for themselves,
> because you yourself do not have them. They can be obtained, get a job and buy
> the game.
>
> To those in the anti-Razoola club, he owes you nothing. He asked for donations
> to obtain and "XOR" the capcom cps2 games. And that is what he did. Yes, the
> encryption has not been broken, and if it were Capcom would be all over him and
> all of the emulation projects that are able to execute their code. Why? Because
> the hardware is still profitable to them. I'm sure some will argue that there is
> nothing they can sue an emulator author for. My question is. A.)Who has more
> money? Capcom or the Emulator Authors (including Razoola) B.)Does Capcom know
> they have more money? C.)Can any of them afford to fight a legal battle with
> Capcom?
> So unless you all want to pay their legal bills, I say Put up or Shut up.
>
> How many emulator authors are tired of being hounded to death by the kids who
> know nothing except wanting something for free? How many projects have been
> killed because of these types of people? Retrogames has become a haven for this
> type of behavior. Yes, the mods may want to keep the board open to free speech,
> but placing limitations only upon questioning them is no way to moderate a
> community of this size.
>
> So finally.....
>
> Back off and let them do what they do, or just watch more projects end because
> of being underappreciated and overirritated.
>
> TheDarkAbyss
>
>
>
>

go read a book, or failing that, this

I think *most* people quietly wait for their 'favorites' to be emulated and sing praises to whoever emulated them. I've thanked MAME for Chinese Hero, Zwackery, The Glob, Crazy Kong, Crazy Climber, Atari Tetris, Time Pilot, Pac Man, Night Striker, heck I have 200 favorites I could thank each code for adding to MAME...

Sure I speak out when I disagree with people on an issue, but people are free to ignore my criticism as well as my praise...

I play MAME / Emulation because I get more out of the 200 favorites I play than my Dreamcast, Playstation, Gamecube, heck any console I own...

I still buy games and play my consoles, but my PC gets most of my gaming time and that's 1/2 MAME 1/3 VPIN... and the rest either Commodore 64/Genesis/Super Nintendo/Atari 2600 emulation...

But I think the majority of gamers download and play games and leave it at that...I don't think there's a political or warez kiddy majority...Heck even I buy ports of games in MAME if I think they're worth anything *like the Meday Arcade Treasures 1 & 2*

edit: no other place you can edit a locked post!

it should have been said a long time ago

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"If you don't like so-and-so's work then do it yourself!"

One of the most commonly coined phrases in CPS2. Unfortunately it usually has NOTHING to do with the original argument at hand. If we really wanted to go run out and emulate so-and-so's work we would have done it a long time ago. Still it usually has nothing to do with the argument(when speaking of CPS2).


Testing underwear in outer space

I'm referring more to the IRC and forum crowds as containing the majority of the "ondemand generation" than the general public who use the emulators.


TheDarkAbyss

>
> They do not know the work it takes to emulate a piece of arcade hardware,
> probably 99% of them can't even write a "hello world" program in basic.

I've actually done that once. I guess i didn't feel the excitement other people feel. It seems very overrated to me for some reason. -nt-

I can still remember the day i wrote my first program. it was just a stupid "ask question - reply with message" thingie, but i loved it and was hooked for years. I was even more hooked up to the thing when i learned about interupt 10h to deal with graphics stuff in the dos days and i made and tried out lots of things daily. And the joy of your first simple working game is so great. However after many years doing it, 2 times the losing of all my source code of all my projects and programming a few years for a company i'm really fed up with it all and hardly do it anymore unless i really need something for myself. Maybe i just need a break and i'll gain my intrest again in a few years.

I was never good enough to do emulators but i did look many things up about creating one, even got a course about programming virtual cpu's on university (this hardly came anything close to what's needed for emulators) but i do have some idea what kind of work it all takes to create one, even if u don't have to reverse engineer and everything is documented

People should look up what kinda knowledge is needed to just make a simple emulator, u'd be surprized and overwhelmed and probably gain more respect to people who actually do spend their free time on creating emulators.

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> Prepare for the flame war.....
>
> What we have here is an overabundance of mid to late teenage children brought up
> in an on demand world.
>
> They do not know the work it takes to emulate a piece of arcade hardware,
> probably 99% of them can't even write a "hello world" program in basic. None are
> concerned with documenting the hardware. All they want to see is free games.
> these are the same children who host server's full of ps2 and xbox isos then
> bitching because their unpaid for illegal copy does not function as the original
> would, never paying for a game, never working for a living, never producing
> anything worthy of anyones attention.
>
> You want to play a game full speed? Buy the hardware to do so. Want a version of
> Tekken 4 that runs full speed and is playable? Check out R.G.V.A.C. and pick one
> up for around $200 USD. None of these children are entitled anything as they
> seem to think they are. If someone "hoards roms", they most likely dumped the
> game and are in possession of the hardware, they have a legal right to have
> their backup and you do not. You do not own the hardware, which contains the
> said "hoarded" software. therefore, it being in your possession is illegal. the
> best way to get the "software" you want is to purchase it and use your own
> methods to turn those rom chips into something your favorite emulator can
> understand. The incorrect way is rom begging, and yes...that is what you all are
> doing. Throwing out accusations of people hoarding the roms for themselves,
> because you yourself do not have them. They can be obtained, get a job and buy
> the game.
>
> To those in the anti-Razoola club, he owes you nothing. He asked for donations
> to obtain and "XOR" the capcom cps2 games. And that is what he did. Yes, the
> encryption has not been broken, and if it were Capcom would be all over him and
> all of the emulation projects that are able to execute their code. Why? Because
> the hardware is still profitable to them. I'm sure some will argue that there is
> nothing they can sue an emulator author for. My question is. A.)Who has more
> money? Capcom or the Emulator Authors (including Razoola) B.)Does Capcom know
> they have more money? C.)Can any of them afford to fight a legal battle with
> Capcom?
> So unless you all want to pay their legal bills, I say Put up or Shut up.
>
> How many emulator authors are tired of being hounded to death by the kids who
> know nothing except wanting something for free? How many projects have been
> killed because of these types of people? Retrogames has become a haven for this
> type of behavior. Yes, the mods may want to keep the board open to free speech,
> but placing limitations only upon questioning them is no way to moderate a
> community of this size.
>
> So finally.....
>
> Back off and let them do what they do, or just watch more projects end because
> of being underappreciated and overirritated.
>
> And of course...blah blah blah..Cps3 this...Cps3 that...Bring it on!
>
> TheDarkAbyss

It's l337.

Kai

> I'm referring more to the IRC and forum crowds as containing the majority of the
> "ondemand generation" than the general public who use the emulators.

No, I think IRC and the forums just contain the majority of the "idiot nerd generation." I'm surprised IRC is still around.

> edit: no other place you can edit a locked post!

cool