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Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on01/18/05 05:22 PM

Ahh, this is fun.

http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/ and http://haze.mame.net/

Raz throws a hook

Updated CPS-2 Driver

Below is a updated CPS2 driver that fixes inaccurate details in the driver as it stands in the u3 release. Most of the stuff in this driver was submitted days before the u3 release but rejected...? See the included changes.txt for changes against the u3 driver, there is also a note about incorrect values in the NeoGeo driver.

Haze weaves
Cps2 Rejection .. Cps2 update wasn't included quite simply because i'm sick of hearing about it. After about 7-8 submissions of one person claiming one thing based on their boards, and another person another based on theirs I stopped caring too much and put the driver on freeze until somebody has some actual useful contribution (such as decryption) instead of nitpicking over minor text details which it probably change between boards when there are far larger errors in the driver (the entire decryption method). I have better things to do with my time and am more inclined in this case to stick with internal submissions from MameDev members than external ones.

The NeoGeo frequencies will however be changed, that was an oversight when adding the new bios

Raz goes for an uppercut

To HAZE, about CPS2 driver.

If you were to take time and read the included changes.txt and follow the advice of where the changes made can be confirmed you will see the changes in the driver (below) are accurate. The fact that you are willing to allow _known_ incorrect information to remain in the driver just shows that you are not the best person to decide what goes in or stays out of MAME because you are letting your own personal opinions affect that accuracy on the MAME project as a whole. How many CPS2 games have you seen? I personally have seen well over 100 and while DEVs may not like that I will not provide tables to help break the encryption of CPS2 at this time (because there is a 2004 game on the system) I am sure all agree that I have never given inaccurate info when it comes to data I submit to the MAMEdev.

Haze interrupts with a bodyblow
Since Raz wants to play it this way... Raz- This is between you and Guru, NOT me, convince Guru, who has a pile of boards, that your changes are correct, not me, I listen to other members of the dev team, and if you're so fussy over 'known incorrect' information being in the driver I may as well rip the whole XOR thing out because its 100% inaccurate. As stated the reason I froze the driver is because I'm sick of hearing about the whole thing, and really quite inclined just to trash it as its the source of so much controversy, creating further arguments involving me does not help the issue.

There is a fairly normal verification process for external submissions, Guru is in charge of verifying any changes made to board information in the source as the majority of this information was supplied by him. Many submissions of various types have failed to get past the verification stage, nobody gets any kind of special treatment in this regard.

Looks like that's the end of round one. Can't wait to see Round 2.

Entire Thread
Subject  Posted byPosted On
-Raz vs Haze & Guru  RoushiMSX01/18/05 05:22 PM
.*A VERDADE - ILUSTRADA!!!  Dilmarx01/23/05 12:17 PM
..*English plz -mt- kthks  newsdee01/23/05 02:58 PM
...*Yeah, you got the whole jist of it...  Death Knight01/23/05 03:27 PM
....*like Jerry Springer?? huahaahhah -nt- :D  IkariWarrior01/23/05 04:15 PM
.....*Re: like Jerry Springer?? huahaahhah -nt- :D  Dilmarx01/23/05 06:15 PM
......*just a simple request  skydoune01/23/05 11:03 PM
....*what's that about the smoking cobra?  newsdee01/23/05 04:09 PM
.....*Re: what's that about the smoking cobra?  IkariWarrior01/23/05 04:17 PM
......*Re: what's that about the smoking cobra?  Death Knight01/23/05 04:51 PM
.......*Re: what's that about the smoking cobra?  IkariWarrior01/23/05 06:09 PM
.*It Has Began!!!  H20 POLO01/20/05 09:58 AM
.*Meaningless Turd Joust *nt*  BBQmyNUTZ01/19/05 02:32 PM
.*Re: Raz vs Haze & Guru  smf01/19/05 12:15 PM
..*Re: Raz vs Haze & Guru  [Haze]01/19/05 01:23 PM
...*8.3  Terry Bogard01/19/05 10:29 PM
....*The filenames inside the zip -nt-  Sune_S01/20/05 11:09 AM
...*You're Ever So Slightly Mistaken  RoushiMSX01/19/05 07:17 PM
.*Raz brings out the evidence  IceMan01/19/05 07:55 AM
..*Took it down....but saw fit to leave the "guru comes clean" post.NT  rocko72071ll01/19/05 06:57 PM
..*Took it down....but saw fit to leave the   rocko72071ll01/19/05 06:57 PM
..*another update on haze's website  skydoune01/19/05 12:39 PM
..*Incredigay (nt)  Smitdogg01/19/05 12:38 PM
..*Re: Raz brings out the evidence  finaldave01/19/05 08:04 AM
...*Hmm so what are the chances...  mikeyt01/19/05 11:33 AM
....*What are the chances of anybody giving a shit?  Death Knight01/19/05 11:38 AM
.....*Re: What are the chances of anybody giving a shit?  Prophet (RG)01/19/05 07:31 PM
......*Re: What are the chances of anybody giving a shit?  finaldave01/20/05 05:36 AM
.......*How many  Lilwolf01/20/05 08:42 AM
........*there is a MAME tv show  newsdee01/20/05 01:46 PM
........*Re: How many  finaldave01/20/05 11:31 AM
........*Re: How many  [Haze]01/20/05 11:26 AM
.........*Re: How many  Lilwolf01/20/05 01:24 PM
..........*Re: How many  [Haze]01/20/05 01:34 PM
...........*And what game is that? -nt-  Purple Rain01/20/05 11:40 PM
............*IIRC Hyper Street Fighter (nt)  smf01/21/05 02:34 AM
.............*The aniversary edition?  mikeyt01/21/05 04:37 AM
..............*It's also on PS2 and Xbox...  Nerox9101/23/05 00:33 AM
..............*Depends on your definition of new ;)  Buveed01/21/05 10:49 AM
........*is there any money to be made out of cps2 bootlegs?  Ibbo01/20/05 09:28 AM
......*Re: What are the chances of anybody giving a shit?  Sixtoe01/20/05 03:43 AM
.*All this over lame Crapcom games? *nt*  Bart T.01/18/05 07:38 PM
..*Neo Geo too I believe (nt)  IceMan01/18/05 07:39 PM
...*nope... just some text/filenames in the cps2 driver ......... [nt]  [Haze]01/19/05 02:19 AM
....*Re: nope... just some text/filenames in the cps2 driver ......... [nt]  smf01/19/05 12:06 PM
.....*Re: nope... just some text/filenames in the cps2 driver ......... [nt]  [Haze]01/19/05 01:28 PM
...*Ahh, now that makes it worth it -nt- pl0p  Buveed01/18/05 08:29 PM
.*Much Ado About Nothing  mangamuscle01/18/05 06:35 PM
..*Re: Much Ado About Nothing  finaldave01/19/05 06:05 AM
.*Re: C'est magnifique!  Jan_Klaassen01/18/05 06:32 PM
..*could be funnier  ChachiSqrPants01/18/05 06:35 PM
...*it's a great analogy, explanation within  newsdee01/18/05 08:43 PM
.*SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!  ChachiSqrPants01/18/05 06:21 PM
.*round 2 predictions  IceMan01/18/05 05:45 PM
..*Re: round 2 predictions  smf01/19/05 12:11 PM
..*Re: round 2 predictions  lux_9288601/18/05 10:32 PM