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SubjectUltracade author submits trademark to MAME, may threaten MAMEDev with lawsuit *reloaded* new Reply to this message
Posted byNerox91
Posted on02/20/05 10:13 PM



MAME(TM)

(thanks to sune for finding better linkage)

Anyone up for a little Ultracade cab bonfire? :D


SubjectNot removed, it's here: new Reply to this message
Posted bySune_S
Posted on02/20/05 11:00 PM




http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76627578

-Sune




Subjectwhat? what's happening, I don't get it -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted byskydoune
Posted on02/20/05 11:46 PM



>
> http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76627578
>
> -Sune
>



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Subjectoh shit ok I get it now new Reply to this message
Posted byskydoune
Posted on02/21/05 00:02 AM



I read the thread over on the mame board, man this is so wrong! Trying to get the trademark for the name AND the logo, which isn't yours and obviously you have nothing to do with.

Greed...

Seems like the guy even threatened people on ebay selling mame cabinets or stuff like that. Come on, the guy must have ripped off code from mame to use in ultracade, I sure wouldn't be surprised of that. So what, if he ever get sued by mamedevs, he would say "but hey, I own the trademark to the name, it's not the patent, but at least it prooves I use it legit". Meh, this couldn't work, and it's so wrong. I wonder what are his motives, maybe because mame is getting more and more popular and people don't play his ultracade machines anymore.

Money money money... MONEY!


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SubjectRe: oh shit ok I get it now new Reply to this message
Posted byVmprHntrD
Posted on02/21/05 00:22 AM



Basically means if that is ok'd he owns the name and the logo lock stock n' barrel via trademarking.

Means that every piece of code, literature, imagery, and otherwise inside it's own code, to the readmes, to the websites would all need changing. Day it clears that dude probably already has a stack of C&D letters ready to go out.




SubjectSo what new Reply to this message
Posted byMrClick
Posted on02/21/05 04:38 AM



MAME just goes underground.

Filesharing went underground.
Downloading ROMs went underground.
How could it hurt MAME if it got a little more "unofficial". Sure some MAMEdevs have to be on their toes maybe. In many states, MAME is barely legal as it is.

But even if Mr. David R.Foely of 1281 Wayne Avenue, San Jose, CA 95131 goes around closing websites and threating eBayers he can't stop MAME. It's like music companies legaly attacking makers and owners of music instruments because you can infringe their copyrights by playing their songs on them. As long as the MAME source is in thousands of homes who can closedown MAMEdev.

Did Ultracade even pay the person who made the MAME logo for his design work? Who can stop us from just making a new logo, give the whole thing a new name, call "MAME cabinets" "PC-enabled arcade cabs, hard- and software included" on eBay.

I can understand how some people are angry now about commercial fatcats trying to make money by raping an idea that was around for free for many years. Be angry for a week but don't let Ultracade get to you with their legal mumbo jumbo and SCO attitude.

Linux is here to stay and so is filesharing and emulation.


SubjectRe: oh shit ok I get it now new Reply to this message
Posted byclem
Posted on02/21/05 04:43 AM



what about prior art? MAME was around so much longer...

clem

> Basically means if that is ok'd he owns the name and the logo lock stock n'
> barrel via trademarking.
>
> Means that every piece of code, literature, imagery, and otherwise inside it's
> own code, to the readmes, to the websites would all need changing. Day it
> clears that dude probably already has a stack of C&D letters ready to go out.
>
>



SubjectStop this man, NOW! new Reply to this message
Posted bysveinjo
Posted on02/21/05 12:53 PM



I just would like to point out that in the event that this CEO guy actually has honorable intentions (as he says in his post), he must still be stopped.

If he gets to own the Trademark for MAME he might not neccessarily start bugging the authors to "stop infringing his trademark", but he would have not only the right, but according to current copyright legislation: THE DUTY to protect his trademark for fear of loosing it. A pretty grim proposition if you ask me.

I am not even going to go into the wrongness of applying for the Trademark to something, that is made by someone else, is still being made, and in addition rip of the logo creator.

I would actually be a little surprised if this is even possible, but then again... You never know. It's been a long time since the laws were designed to protect the weak and needy.

Of course MAME can just go underground (as it has always kind of been) but it shouldn't have to.

This is not about nostalgia or games. This is actually important in the real world.

> MAME(TM)
>
> (thanks to sune for finding better linkage)
>
> Anyone up for a little Ultracade cab bonfire? :D
>



SubjectRe: Ultracade author submits trademark to MAME, may threaten MAMEDev with lawsuit *reloaded* new Reply to this message
Posted bycraterface
Posted on02/21/05 01:17 PM



> MAME(TM)
>
> (thanks to sune for finding better linkage)
>
> Anyone up for a little Ultracade cab bonfire? :D
>

Is this guy affiliated with the IDSA? Maybe MAME is just the beginning. Soon, there'll be trademarks on FCE Ultra, Kega, SNES9x, Final Burn, etc.

Heh, why is this reminding me of my first days on these forums? :p




SubjectRe: Stop this man, NOW! new Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on02/21/05 02:36 PM



> I just would like to point out that in the event that this CEO guy actually has
> honorable intentions (as he says in his post), he must still be stopped.
>
> If he gets to own the Trademark for MAME he might not neccessarily start bugging
> the authors to "stop infringing his trademark", but he would have not only the
> right, but according to current copyright legislation: THE DUTY to protect his
> trademark for fear of loosing it. A pretty grim proposition if you ask me.
>
> I am not even going to go into the wrongness of applying for the Trademark to
> something, that is made by someone else, is still being made, and in addition
> rip of the logo creator.
>
> I would actually be a little surprised if this is even possible, but then
> again... You never know. It's been a long time since the laws were designed to
> protect the weak and needy.
>
> Of course MAME can just go underground (as it has always kind of been) but it
> shouldn't have to.
>
> This is not about nostalgia or games. This is actually important in the real
> world.


Have to say this whole thing is a little strange, does it remind anyone of the SCO thing?

update - just been reading on SlashDot, this thing is all over there. LOL - they already pointed out the SlashDot thing.

Poor David Foley, I feel sorry for him a way, ok that was a bit evil, but he's never going to hear the end of this... people are already posting his e-mail address and his personal phone number and address (and lawyer's name) on Slashdot.

Note to self: things not to do in Emulation:
* Don't try and Trademark 'MAME' :-P



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SubjectYa, how can we STOP THIS??!!! new Reply to this message
Posted byinfiniti11
Posted on02/21/05 09:30 PM



There can be only one reason for this move..MONEY!!! Money motivates everything. This guy did not even write the code.

How can someone STEAL a LOGO that they did not create!? I will gladly donate to stop this 4SSH0L3!!! Who is with me? The MAMEdev people are our friends. How can we all let this happen to our friends? I have been with MAME since version .20 and LOVE THIS EMU!!!! Come-on.....who is with me????!!!!! Can't the MAMEdev people brand thier OWN LOGO???? THIS DUDE IS GOIN DOWN!!!!!


SubjectRe: Ya, how can we STOP THIS??!!! new Reply to this message
Posted byfinaldave
Posted on02/22/05 07:39 AM



> There can be only one reason for this move..MONEY!!! Money motivates everything.
> This guy did not even write the code.

True but, he does officially license the Romsets doesn't he?
He's trying as far as possible to legalise MAME cabinets (whilst going after the unlicensed MAME cabinets.)



> How can someone STEAL a LOGO that they did not create!? I will gladly donate to
> stop this 4SSH0L3!!! Who is with me? The MAMEdev people are our friends. How can
> we all let this happen to our friends? I have been with MAME since version .20
> and LOVE THIS EMU!!!! Come-on.....who is with me????!!!!! Can't the MAMEdev
> people brand thier OWN LOGO???? THIS DUDE IS GOIN DOWN!!!!!


Yeah, I think he's done the wrong thing here, but there is a common enemy - the dodgy MAME cabinets and CDs on ebay that we keep hearing about.

That said I wouldn't want to be Mr Foley round about now :-P



*update* - I might have my wires crossed about this, from posts on mame.net as I understand it Ultracade doesn't even use MAME... is that right??



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SubjectRe: oh shit ok I get it now Reply to this message
Posted byFakester
Posted on02/22/05 10:05 AM



> what about prior art? MAME was around so much longer...
>
> clem


That is why it won't work. Case closed, nothing to see here move along... it's all hype.

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SubjectRe: Ya, how can we STOP THIS??!!! new Reply to this message
Posted byR. Belmont
Posted on02/22/05 03:24 PM



That's right, Ultracade does not run MAME. IMO he'd do better if it did, but MAME wasn't nearly as formidable when Quantum3D started the project in 1998/99.

(Brief history of Ultracade: 3dfx's spinoff Quantum3D developed and sold it for a while, then dumped it off to HyperWare, Inc., which was an embedded-PC company run by David Foley. HyperWare marketed it for a while (using their own PCs as the hardware platform) and then went Chapter 11. Foley eventually decided to take another swing and formed UltraCade, Inc., which is the current company marketing/maintaining UC). Quantum3D is still in business, BTW, but they've moved *way* upmarket.

As for "how can we stop this", please don't. The adults (meaning Aaron Giles and several lawyers) are working on getting things set straight.





SubjectThanks for the insider input Belmont... new Reply to this message
Posted byDeath Knight
Posted on02/22/05 04:27 PM



> As for "how can we stop this", please don't. The adults (meaning Aaron Giles
> and several lawyers) are working on getting things set straight.
>
Good to hear the devs are getting on top of this situation. Though i wouldn't mind seeing reports of this guy having his personal info plastered all over and getting a well deserved ass-reaming because of it. :-)


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SubjectRe: oh shit ok I get it now new Reply to this message
Posted bysmf
Posted on02/25/05 06:23 AM



> what about prior art? MAME was around so much longer...

Prior art isn't an issue, you can use a trade mark that someone has previously registered & is no longer using. In fact you can even have the same trademark as long as they are in different markets. Apple Computing weren't allowed to enter the music industry in the UK due to Apple Records, which held up iTunes being introduced for ages.

smf





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