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Subjectarcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted byLRa
Posted on03/05/05 06:04 AM



First the reason I don't post this at the mame message board is that I can't register for quite some time...
First question is what options should I choose to make the game run, visually, as identical to the real arcade as possible ?
Second is how can I run mame at 3x4 aspect ratio(my screen pivots) without direct draw?
I don't like the way direct draw makes the games look...
Thanks in advance
P.S. I use emuloader and mame32fx




SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted byTourniquet
Posted on03/05/05 06:28 AM



> First the reason I don't post this at the mame message board is that I can't
> register for quite some time...

You use the same login as this board..

> First question is what options should I choose to make the game run, visually,
> as identical to the real arcade as possible ?

Run the games at the native res/refresh on a real arcade monitor, anything else is entirely a matter of opinion.

> Second is how can I run mame at 3x4 aspect ratio(my screen pivots) without
> direct draw?

? It's usually much faster to not rotate Windows and just set the -autorol or -autoror options so that vertical games are set for when the screen is vertical and horizontal for when the screen are horizontal.
You could set -aspect_ratio 3:4 though.

> I don't like the way direct draw makes the games look...

Eh?
If your card does bilinear filtering with ddraw and not without then use d3d and turn it off.
Not using at least ddraw is daft imho.



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Paul


SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted byLRa
Posted on03/05/05 07:21 AM



>You use the same login as this board.

O, I didn't know that. I tried few times recovering my password from mame.net but it never sent me an emai, and when I tried to register as a new user it, also, never send me an email.

>If your card does bilinear filtering with ddraw and not >without then use d3d and turn it off.
>Not using at least ddraw is daft imho.

What do you mean? I got a radeon 9600 pro.
When ddraw is enabled the graphics are less sharp.
And EL and mame32fx have an option to use 3:4 AR but it only work when ddraw is enabled.

P.S. just tried d3d, and setting 3:4 AR works again but the graphics are blurry again.
What I mean by blurry is that when you disable d3d and ddraw you can literally count the pixels.





SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted byTourniquet
Posted on03/05/05 08:16 AM



> >You use the same login as this board.
>
> O, I didn't know that. I tried few times recovering my password from mame.net
> but it never sent me an emai,

iy won't, it's been disabled after abuse a few years back.

> >If your card does bilinear filtering with ddraw and not >without then use d3d
> and turn it off.
> >Not using at least ddraw is daft imho.
>
> What do you mean? I got a radeon 9600 pro.
> When ddraw is enabled the graphics are less sharp.

enable d3d and set d3dfilter to 0, I don't know how these options are listed in EL.
(mame.exe -d3d -d3dfilter 0)

> And EL and mame32fx have an option to use 3:4 AR but it only work when ddraw is
> enabled.
> P.S. just tried d3d, and setting 3:4 AR works again but the graphics are blurry
> again.

As I said, don't rotate Windows just MAME.
What videocard have you got and drivers? With my GF2GTS MAME used to claim it was running 60/60 when Windows was rotated but the game only looked to be showing every other frame.

> What I mean by blurry is that when you disable d3d and ddraw you can literally
> count the pixels.

See above.
This is bilinear filtering, you can change this to point sampling / no filtering or even cubic. (and anisotrophic although it's meaningless atm).


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Paul


SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted bySune_S
Posted on03/05/05 08:55 AM



> First the reason I don't post this at the mame message board is that I can't
> register for quite some time...
> First question is what options should I choose to make the game run, visually,
> as identical to the real arcade as possible ?
> Second is how can I run mame at 3x4 aspect ratio(my screen pivots) without
> direct draw?
> I don't like the way direct draw makes the games look...
> Thanks in advance
> P.S. I use emuloader and mame32fx

If your pivot monitor is LCD, there is no hope to achieve what you want. Closest you can get is using the D3D renderer and running all games in the LCD's native resolution. Play around with the D3D stretching and filtering options to get the sharpest possible image.

If you monitor is a CRT, use Direct Draw and disable Hardware Stretch (You can also use the D3D renderer to achieve the same thing but there are a lot more settings to configure and I can't remember what they are right now ;-). That will get rid of the filtering, but most games won't fill up the screen. To remedy this, you add custom resolutions that matches the games native resolution (or double their resolution, eg. 256x224 = 512x448, if your monitor can't handle the lower resolutions or you want to use Scanlines). MAME will pick up on them and use them if you leave the resolution setting on 'auto'.

If you have an Nvidia card, you can add custom resolutions directly from the driver control panel. They will be available instantly, you don't need to reboot. Remember to restart Mame32FX so it can enumerate your new resolutions.

-Sune











SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted byLRa
Posted on03/05/05 09:48 AM



I have a radeon 9600 pro with omega drivers(modified catalyst).
Anyhow enabled d3d and disabling filtering does give close results but it's still not as good as d3d and ddraw disabled.
I did try auto rotate left and right but vertical games still work as they would normally(two black strips, one on each side).


>What videocard have you got and drivers? With my GF2GTS
>MAME used to claim it was running 60/60 when Windows was
>rotated but the game only looked to be showing every other
>frame.
You also have a pivot lcd? or you turned your CRT ? (and yes there are people who flip their CRT to play shmups...)



SubjectRe: arcade look in mame Reply to this message
Posted byLRa
Posted on03/05/05 09:49 AM



I do have a pivot lcd...
What exactly do you mean? I can't achieve they look I want when the screen is pivoted ?





SubjectRe: arcade look in mame new Reply to this message
Posted bySune_S
Posted on03/05/05 10:24 AM



> I do have a pivot lcd...
> What exactly do you mean? I can't achieve they look I want when the screen is
> pivoted ?

No :-), because it is an LCD screen.

To get the clearest possible picture, configure MAME to run everything in your LCD's native resolution, and use the stretch options in the D3D renderer to stretch and sharpen the image.

Forget everything I said about custom resolutions, they won't help you, since your LCD monitor will stretch and filter the image itself in order to make it match its own native resolution, which it is always running in anyway.

-Sune





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