hi!

im currently having trouble using pal games in emulator such as zsnes and winuae.
as my monitor doesn't support 50hz resolutions, i use 100hz (+vsync) to play pal games. but actually it doesn't run as smooth as ntsc-games in one of the 60hz resolutions - especially with side-scrollers like super mario etc.
is there anything i can do about that - i mean is there a better solution for pal games than run them at 100hz?
... i hope so :-))

bye,
sadd

If you are using a CRT monitor and not LCD or Plasma, you can use a program called PowerStrip by EnTech to tweak any resolution your monitor supports to 50Hz or even interlace on the higher resolutions.

http://www.entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm

> hi!
>
> im currently having trouble using pal games in emulator such as zsnes and
> winuae.
> as my monitor doesn't support 50hz resolutions, i use 100hz (+vsync) to play pal
> games. but actually it doesn't run as smooth as ntsc-games in one of the 60hz
> resolutions - especially with side-scrollers like super mario etc.
> is there anything i can do about that - i mean is there a better solution for
> pal games than run them at 100hz?
> ... i hope so :-))
>
> bye,
> sadd
>

thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling with pal games?

> If you are using a CRT monitor and not LCD or Plasma, you can use a program
> called PowerStrip by EnTech to tweak any resolution your monitor supports to
> 50Hz or even interlace on the higher resolutions.
>
> http://www.entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm
>
> > hi!
> >
> > im currently having trouble using pal games in emulator such as zsnes and
> > winuae.
> > as my monitor doesn't support 50hz resolutions, i use 100hz (+vsync) to play
> pal
> > games. but actually it doesn't run as smooth as ntsc-games in one of the 60hz
> > resolutions - especially with side-scrollers like super mario etc.
> > is there anything i can do about that - i mean is there a better solution for
> > pal games than run them at 100hz?
> > ... i hope so :-))
> >
> > bye,
> > sadd
> >
>

50Hz really does flicker that bad on a CRT PC monitor because its below the 60Hz mininum and the reason why you cant select 50Hz in Windows, Games and Emulators.

> thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling with pal
> games?
>
> > If you are using a CRT monitor and not LCD or Plasma, you can use a program
> > called PowerStrip by EnTech to tweak any resolution your monitor supports to
> > 50Hz or even interlace on the higher resolutions.
> >
> > http://www.entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm
> >
> > > hi!
> > >
> > > im currently having trouble using pal games in emulator such as zsnes and
> > > winuae.
> > > as my monitor doesn't support 50hz resolutions, i use 100hz (+vsync) to play
> > pal
> > > games. but actually it doesn't run as smooth as ntsc-games in one of the
> 60hz
> > > resolutions - especially with side-scrollers like super mario etc.
> > > is there anything i can do about that - i mean is there a better solution
> for
> > > pal games than run them at 100hz?
> > > ... i hope so :-))
> > >
> > > bye,
> > > sadd
> > >
> >
>

> thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling with pal
> games?

Switch off Vsync in the emulator and run your resolutions at 100Hz.

-Sune

> > thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> > any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling with
> pal
> > games?
>
> Switch off Vsync in the emulator and run your resolutions at 100Hz.
>
> -Sune
>

i just tried it in zsnes -> 640x480 DR, 100hz, noeffects, no vsync, no tripple buffering
it's quite smooth but still, side scrolling kind of blurs the screen. but it's still not near playing ntsc-games@60hz!

50Hz doesn't flicker too bad on my monitor though, slightly more flicker than 60Hz thats all.

What CRT monitor are you using?

I'm using a Sony GDM-FW900. I don't think all monitors handle low refresh rates as good as each other so the quality will vary from monitor to monitor.

Is there not a NTSC version of the game(s) you are playing in Zsnes?

> > > thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> > > any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling with
> > pal
> > > games?
> >
> > Switch off Vsync in the emulator and run your resolutions at 100Hz.
> >
> > -Sune
> >
>
> i just tried it in zsnes -> 640x480 DR, 100hz, noeffects, no vsync, no tripple
> buffering
> it's quite smooth but still, side scrolling kind of blurs the screen. but it's
> still not near playing ntsc-games@60hz!
>

i've got a cheap proview 19inch monitor (i think this brand doesn't even exist anymore ;-))
50hz is really bad on that thing - play more than 5 minutes and get a headache!!!

for snes games, using the ntsc-version is actually the best solution, i think.
but for amiga-emulation, most games are pal - switching to 60hz makes them smooth but speeds them up by about 16,66%! so i think i simply have to live with my problem... or i could buy a 10inch monitor so that 50hz isn't that bad ;-)))


> 50Hz doesn't flicker too bad on my monitor though, slightly more flicker than
> 60Hz thats all.
>
> What CRT monitor are you using?
>
> I'm using a Sony GDM-FW900. I don't think all monitors handle low refresh rates
> as good as each other so the quality will vary from monitor to monitor.
>
> Is there not a NTSC version of the game(s) you are playing in Zsnes?
>
> > > > thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> > > > any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling
> with
> > > pal
> > > > games?
> > >
> > > Switch off Vsync in the emulator and run your resolutions at 100Hz.
> > >
> > > -Sune
> > >
> >
> > i just tried it in zsnes -> 640x480 DR, 100hz, noeffects, no vsync, no tripple
> > buffering
> > it's quite smooth but still, side scrolling kind of blurs the screen. but it's
> > still not near playing ntsc-games@60hz!
> >
>

Get a TV that supports PAL signals and use a card with video out (or see if you can find and old school VGA to RF/RCA/S-Video converter).

Lando242

Well a smaller monitor won't mean less flicker but it will mean a smaller picture :D

My Sony monitor is a 24". It all depends on the circuitry of the monitor ie the electron beams and the screen etc.

I just checked my WinUAE setup and indeed I run it at 640x480 @ 50Hz and don't experience flickering that makes games unplayable like you mentioned.

Your either going to have to live with playing Amiga games at 100Hz (PAL) or invest in a new monitor, preferably one with a Sony FD Trinitron Tube ie Dell P1130/HP P1130 is the most common.

> i've got a cheap proview 19inch monitor (i think this brand doesn't even exist
> anymore ;-))
> 50hz is really bad on that thing - play more than 5 minutes and get a
> headache!!!
>
> for snes games, using the ntsc-version is actually the best solution, i think.
> but for amiga-emulation, most games are pal - switching to 60hz makes them
> smooth but speeds them up by about 16,66%! so i think i simply have to live with
> my problem... or i could buy a 10inch monitor so that 50hz isn't that bad ;-)))
>
>
> > 50Hz doesn't flicker too bad on my monitor though, slightly more flicker than
> > 60Hz thats all.
> >
> > What CRT monitor are you using?
> >
> > I'm using a Sony GDM-FW900. I don't think all monitors handle low refresh
> rates
> > as good as each other so the quality will vary from monitor to monitor.
> >
> > Is there not a NTSC version of the game(s) you are playing in Zsnes?
> >
> > > > > thx, this program really works, but 50hz is really really flickering!!!
> > > > > any other idea to get non-flickering results and have smooth scrolling
> > with
> > > > pal
> > > > > games?
> > > >
> > > > Switch off Vsync in the emulator and run your resolutions at 100Hz.
> > > >
> > > > -Sune
> > > >
> > >
> > > i just tried it in zsnes -> 640x480 DR, 100hz, noeffects, no vsync, no
> tripple
> > > buffering
> > > it's quite smooth but still, side scrolling kind of blurs the screen. but
> it's
> > > still not near playing ntsc-games@60hz!
> > >
> >
>

> i've got a cheap proview 19inch monitor (i think this brand doesn't even exist
> anymore ;-))
> 50hz is really bad on that thing - play more than 5 minutes and get a
> headache!!!
>
> for snes games, using the ntsc-version is actually the best solution, i think.
> but for amiga-emulation, most games are pal - switching to 60hz makes them
> smooth but speeds them up by about 16,66%!

I get perfectly smooth video in WinUAE at 100Hz. And it's not 50% faster either :-)

-Sune