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SubjectOsman vs Strider new Reply to this message
Posted byn2locarz
Posted on08/07/05 12:32 PM



Was looking over the screenshots of Osman. They look great! They also look alot like Strider. I'm hoping the gameplay is as good. Anyone care to share? Great work Haze.

n2




SubjectRe: Osman vs Strider new Reply to this message
Posted byProphet (RG)
Posted on08/07/05 02:21 PM



> Was looking over the screenshots of Osman. They look great! They also look
> alot like Strider. I'm hoping the gameplay is as good. Anyone care to share?
> Great work Haze.
>
> n2

I've played it a bit the other night, up to level 3 or 4.

It's very much like Strider. Graphically it's very psychedelic, whereas Strider was a bit more "realistic" (if that makes any sense). It feels and plays a lot like a new 2D Strider. Which is a good thing. :)

I'd hesitate to call it better, but it's certainly fun and the visuals are very interesting.

-Prophet-
www.retrogames.com


SubjectWell it IS from the same director new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on08/07/05 03:38 PM



I'd say it's better. I'd say it's way better.

I'd say it's like having Strider lick your asshole while giving you a reach around. It's just that good. And I love Strider.

Stider 2, on the other hand...meh. No idea why some people hold that in such high regard. :(
(and let's not talk about US Gold's abortion.. :( )




Subjectrock on! Reply to this message
Posted byJoffeman
Posted on08/07/05 04:06 PM



i've waited years for a game based on the exploits of tim osman- he pulls some hilarious shit off. i bet this game is gonna be really good and funny as well- does it have flight sim minigames? that would just kick all kinds of ass.

j


SubjectOsman here new Reply to this message
Posted bycarrotroot
Posted on08/08/05 01:29 PM



Strider was an awsome game but Osman is even better IMO (Good control, slick graphics, and nice sound). Definately a worth sequal/prequal to the original Strider arcade.

> > Was looking over the screenshots of Osman. They look great! They also look
> > alot like Strider. I'm hoping the gameplay is as good. Anyone care to share?
>
> > Great work Haze.
> >
> > n2
>
> I've played it a bit the other night, up to level 3 or 4.
>
> It's very much like Strider. Graphically it's very psychedelic, whereas Strider
> was a bit more "realistic" (if that makes any sense). It feels and plays a lot
> like a new 2D Strider. Which is a good thing. :)
>
> I'd hesitate to call it better, but it's certainly fun and the visuals are very
> interesting.
>
> -Prophet-
> www.retrogames.com
>



SubjectRe: Osman here new Reply to this message
Posted byProphet (RG)
Posted on08/08/05 04:55 PM



> Strider was an awsome game but Osman is even better IMO (Good control, slick
> graphics, and nice sound). Definately a worth sequal/prequal to the original
> Strider arcade.

A worthy sequel, definitely. More of a sequel than the official one (polygons have no place in a 2D game, especially when they do nothing to advance the gameplay).

It's an impressive game with a unique sense of design. The reason I don't feel it overshadows Strider is that Strider was the original. Osman doesn't really innovate in any special way, and in terms of pure gameplay adds very little if anything. It's Strider with fancier graphics, even more creative design elements and lots and lots of pretty colors.

That's not meant as a criticism - Strider was a very good game, and impressive as hell when it first came out, and Osman is more of something good, so that's not bad at all. I'm very glad the game got made, and even more glad it got emulated so we could all actually play it.

But Strider is still the original.

-Prophet-
www.retrogames.com


SubjectRe: Osman is cheap! new Reply to this message
Posted bymamegodx
Posted on08/08/05 06:41 PM



> But Strider is still the original.
>
> -Prophet-
> www.retrogames.com
>



Not to mention that Strider has a more fair gameplay setup. In many areas of the game, Osman simply feels cheap. Why do I have to hit the boss 80 times to kill him, or even 5 or 6 times for a regular enemy. I realize Osman doesn't use a weapon (as compared to Striders laser(?) sword) but it would still be nice if there was some additional range, power or diversity of the attacks...

The bullets and other projectiles that cause damage are also alot harder to avoid. Overall, I dont think the game would be possible to finish on a credit the same way Strider can be. (I havent tried other difficulty settings yet - just the default) To me that seperates a well balanced game from a simple quarter muncher / button masher. Granted, Osman does have some depth... but the game isn't deep enough for me to figure out how to finish it on 25 cents.

The graphics are nice, ya.... but overall with Strider the sprites are larger and animate just as fluidly as Osman which is a few years newer. I also perfer the Strider score as opposed to the music I cant even remember in Osman.

And yes, Strider is still the original and will be in my memory long after Osman simply becomes 6 megs of used diskspace. (Absolutely no insult to Haze or Mamedev for their astounding developments that made these comments possible - I have never seen and will never expect to see a working Osman arcade machine in my lifetime)

The game is ok, but its really just a shadow of its big brother... too bad we never saw a 'real' Strider 2.

Mame On!





SubjectYour apparent humor is lost on the Gen Em board -nt- new Reply to this message
Posted byChachiSqrPants
Posted on08/10/05 12:33 PM



> i've waited years for a game based on the exploits of tim osman- he pulls some
> hilarious shit off. i bet this game is gonna be really good and funny as well-
> does it have flight sim minigames? that would just kick all kinds of ass.
>
>


CSP


SubjectOsman is a cheap knockoff new Reply to this message
Posted byChachiSqrPants
Posted on08/10/05 12:43 PM



I'm not sure what Roushi is smoking, but Osman is a cheap knockoff on a truly innovative and classic game 5 years and multitudes of hardware advancements later.

While the graphics may be a bit updated in some respects, they still do not match the overall awe and inspiration of the original Strider. The gameplay can't match the original, as it doesn't innovate and even detracts in that the smoothness is lost while cheap hits abound. The sound is again dissapointing. One of the best aspects of Strider is the soundtrack, which is listen to to this day. It matched the environment changes exactly and added to the excitement of the cutscenes. All this from a game 16 years old.

It's probably a bad idea to compare an average game like Osman to a truly innovative game like Strider. Standing alone, Osman is an average side scroller which may provide a bit of fun (I played through the first few levels and thought it was okay), but clearly has no unique and lasting elements. I hadn't even heard of this game before it was emulated, and I'm sure others hadn't as well. You can't say that about Strider, though being the first 8MB (Genesis) game doesn't hurt.



On another note, is there a SuperGrafx emulator available for the (I think) unreleased Strider game?

CSP


SubjectRe: Osman is a cheap knockoff new Reply to this message
Posted byProphet (RG)
Posted on08/10/05 06:36 PM



I pretty much agree about Strider. And the soundtrack was amazing, I can still hear that 1st level theme in my head note for note.

Osman is fun, it's a decent looking Strider-like game. But not a classic, and the soundtrack is definitely weak although it sounds OK while playing. You won't remember the tunes an hour later though, unlike Strider where they stay in your head forever.

> On another note, is there a SuperGrafx emulator available for the (I think)
> unreleased Strider game?

Magic Engine does SuperGrafx perfectly.

But the Strider ROM isn't available. Was Strider SGX ever released for sale in Japan? Was the game finished or just in beta stages?

Would be nice to see it, to compare to the arcade one. I'm sure it's like GnG - better graphics than the Genesis version but weaker audio than the arcade.

-Prophet-
www.retrogames.com


SubjectRe: Osman is a cheap knockoff new Reply to this message
Posted byNerox91
Posted on08/11/05 06:58 AM



> > On another note, is there a SuperGrafx emulator available for the (I think)
> > unreleased Strider game?
>
> Magic Engine does SuperGrafx perfectly.
>
> But the Strider ROM isn't available. Was Strider SGX ever released for sale in
> Japan? Was the game finished or just in beta stages?

It was never released and from all the info I've seen it looks like it was probably in the alpha/beta stages. I remember seeing on some site that supposedly one of the reasons that the port was canned was because some lead programmer cracked under the pressure and killed himself. Which sounds like bullshit pretty much, but I'm not surprised that it got canned in general as the supergrafx was a pretty useless addon in the long run and didn't really add much to the vanilla and CD PCE hardware itself.

I should really start getting back in the MAME loop again and try Osman, it sucks that I started to lose track of MAME right when progress on some the best and seemingly impossible to emulate classics (sega x/y board and weird data east hardware stuff i'm looking at you) started to really take off..




SubjectRe: Osman is a cheap knockoff new Reply to this message
Posted bydoyouwanthegreat
Posted on08/11/05 03:10 PM



Strider < Osman < Strider 2 < Charlie Ninja

fjags!



How would you like to take your genitals home in a brown paper bag!!? Bring it on FOO!!!!!????


SubjectRe: Osman is cheap! new Reply to this message
Posted bylux_92886
Posted on08/11/05 09:40 PM



> > But Strider is still the original.
> >
> > -Prophet-
> > www.retrogames.com
> >
>
>
>
> Not to mention that Strider has a more fair gameplay setup. In many areas of the
> game, Osman simply feels cheap. Why do I have to hit the boss 80 times to kill
> him, or even 5 or 6 times for a regular enemy. I realize Osman doesn't use a
> weapon (as compared to Striders laser(?) sword) but it would still be nice if
> there was some additional range, power or diversity of the attacks...
>
> The bullets and other projectiles that cause damage are also alot harder to
> avoid. Overall, I dont think the game would be possible to finish on a credit
> the same way Strider can be. (I havent tried other difficulty settings yet -
> just the default) To me that seperates a well balanced game from a simple
> quarter muncher / button masher. Granted, Osman does have some depth... but the
> game isn't deep enough for me to figure out how to finish it on 25 cents.
>
> The graphics are nice, ya.... but overall with Strider the sprites are larger
> and animate just as fluidly as Osman which is a few years newer. I also perfer
> the Strider score as opposed to the music I cant even remember in Osman.
>
> And yes, Strider is still the original and will be in my memory long after Osman
> simply becomes 6 megs of used diskspace. (Absolutely no insult to Haze or
> Mamedev for their astounding developments that made these comments possible - I
> have never seen and will never expect to see a working Osman arcade machine in
> my lifetime)
>
> The game is ok, but its really just a shadow of its big brother... too bad we
> never saw a 'real' Strider 2.
>
> Mame On!
>

You can play the "real" Strider 2 in ZiNc ;).




SubjectThat game blows new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on08/11/05 11:42 PM




> You can play the "real" Strider 2 in ZiNc ;).
>

You mean that crappy remake of Strider?

I want to cockpunch every import reviewer that hyped up that game. I'm just thankful the store bought it back from me.




SubjectReminds me of my take on Power Stone... new Reply to this message
Posted byTechrat 2004
Posted on08/12/05 01:50 AM



>
> > You can play the "real" Strider 2 in ZiNc ;).
> >
>
> You mean that crappy remake of Strider?
>
> I want to cockpunch every import reviewer that hyped up that game. I'm just
> thankful the store bought it back from me.
>
>

I had that POS for 1 day and wanted to trade it in for anything else...EB was nice back then, gave me store credit for it...Damn, I haven't hated a game like that in a while! LOL ;)



SubjectRe: Osman is a cheap knockoff new Reply to this message
Posted byn2locarz
Posted on08/13/05 00:33 AM



Sadly, I must agree. I finally played it. The graphics are too much. They are gaudy. Sorry I compared it to Strider, but the way the character was standing made me think of how strider climbs walls. As far as a SuperGrafix port, who cares? We have the the OG roms and can play it. I always liked the Genesis version of it. I remember it being one of the first 8meg roms out there. Genesis translations were always pretty close. Looking back Sega has some sweet games. Someone else posted that Strider is 16 years old! Seems like just yesterday I was playing that and Shinobi.

n2




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