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SubjectNew Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byTekhmaster
Posted on10/16/01 12:52 PM



Hi all,
I spent some time this weekend reviewing all the new Pocket PC Specs.
I decided to go out and pick up the only only currently available, the HP Jordnada 568. I figure I'll pick up the new iPaq next month and do a personal comparison, selling the loser afterwards.

My opinion of the new HP Jornado:

WOW! what a nice device!!!
If Compaq hasn't fixed the screen problem and keypad issue in this next release, they will NOT be on top for long.!

Most of the advatages that the iPaq had over the other devices seem to be gone. The flashable Rom, the reflective screen for outdoor use, The Speed, The Processor type. All have been included and in some cases mandated by MS in all new PocketPCs. THe HP has all these capabilities and the following:
1. 65K color screen. The screen is bright and the colors quite clear I think Marconnelly will even like this screen :).
2. User Replacable Backup battery AND Main Battery! HP listened to us and added this option back in. They are supposed to also offer double length batteries (in a larger size addon) in the future. This was one of my biggest peeves when I switched from the Casio .
3. Small Size and comfortable fit. This unit is small, It looks about the same size as a naked iPaq but it feels better in the hand. I don't feel like it will slip out my hand like the iPaq does.
4. Flip cover. This never really thrilled me, but for those of you who like this option, its included.
5. 64MB Can never have enough space :)
6. Voice recognition software. If you haven't installed this , I hightly recommend doing so just for the 'WOW factor'. It's not perfect and the voice that replies back to you is abit robotic, but it cracks me up to no end :) I say "close all programs" and my Pocket PC says "are you sure you want to close all programs?" I say "yes" My PocketPC says, "Closing all programs" Gut-buster:)
I hear the iPaq will have this option as well. The Docs say that addon components to this program will also be available in the future.
7. Supposedly no button problem. I haven't had the chance to test this out but if its true Compaq had dam well better have fixed there issue.

The only gripe I have with this HP is that it still only has the Type 1 CF Slot (but at least it is built in). My memory cards work and so does my new Symbol Wireless NIC (another great addon BTW). But my microdrive will not, nor will my CF Modem or older CF NIC. No a big problem but still...
The screen seems a little tighter between the layers so I don't think the dust issue will crop up in this unit. (Even if Marconnely supsects some have seen it ;)

Over all I am very impressed and I think Compaq had better be extrememly worried. If they haven't resolved their issues they will end up at the bottom favorites list. The only real advatage they will have is current customers, and the Sleeve/addon. I hear HP will even address this with an addon PC card option.

Tough Choices, maybe not.

PS, expect a new release for the new HP real Soon :)

Cheers,
-Techmaster


SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byAnonymous (62.253.128.4)
Posted on10/16/01 03:09 PM



> PS, expect a new release for the new HP real Soon :)

Cool! Can't wait...

Keep the good work,
JBB (HP568 happy owner)




SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byAnonymous (166.90.238.93)
Posted on10/16/01 03:28 PM



Welcome to the HP side of the fence (at least temporarily until the new iPAQ comes out. It looks like Compaq did fix the button problem after all). Of course the HP568 has no button problems either.

Even better news it also means a new official Mamece3 build with HP568 support (I hope MegaMamece3 is included). Here is a sample of my cgapi.cpp changes:

#define VK_IPAQ_ACTION 0xD2
#define VK_IPAQ_REC 0xC9
#define VK_IPAQ_B1 0xD3
#define VK_IPAQ_B2 0xD4
#define VK_IPAQ_B3 0xC1
#define VK_IPAQ_B4 0xD1

#ifdef ARM
switch (key)
{
case VK_F20: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B3; break;
case VK_F21: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B4; break;
case VK_F22: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B4/*ACTION*/; break;
case VK_ESCAPE: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B1; break;
case VK_TAB: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B2; break;
case VK_LCONTROL: newkey = VK_IPAQ_ACTION/*B3*/; break;
case VK_RETURN: newkey = VK_IPAQ_ACTION/*B2*/; break;
case VK_MENU: newkey = VK_IPAQ_B4; break;
case VK_SPACE: newkey = VK_IPAQ_REC /*B2*/; break;
}
Of course I did a poor job of documenting (sorry) what I changed but I am not a programmer so I am sure you will do a better job of the mapping. This does support the config menu which was important for some games. Again I had no luck in getting the recorder and home key to work. If you figure it out please post your fix in this forum. I am curious why it works with some programs and not in others.

Ottoman

> Hi all,
> I spent some time this weekend reviewing all the new Pocket PC Specs.
> I decided to go out and pick up the only only currently available, the HP
> Jordnada 568. I figure I'll pick up the new iPaq next month and do a personal
> comparison, selling the loser afterwards.
>
> My opinion of the new HP Jornado:
>
> WOW! what a nice device!!!
> If Compaq hasn't fixed the screen problem and keypad issue in this next release,
> they will NOT be on top for long.!
>
> Most of the advatages that the iPaq had over the other devices seem to be gone.
> The flashable Rom, the reflective screen for outdoor use, The Speed, The
> Processor type. All have been included and in some cases mandated by MS in all
> new PocketPCs. THe HP has all these capabilities and the following:
> 1. 65K color screen. The screen is bright and the colors quite clear I think
> Marconnelly will even like this screen :).
> 2. User Replacable Backup battery AND Main Battery! HP listened to us and added
> this option back in. They are supposed to also offer double length batteries (in
> a larger size addon) in the future. This was one of my biggest peeves when I
> switched from the Casio .
> 3. Small Size and comfortable fit. This unit is small, It looks about the same
> size as a naked iPaq but it feels better in the hand. I don't feel like it will
> slip out my hand like the iPaq does.
> 4. Flip cover. This never really thrilled me, but for those of you who like this
> option, its included.
> 5. 64MB Can never have enough space :)
> 6. Voice recognition software. If you haven't installed this , I hightly
> recommend doing so just for the 'WOW factor'. It's not perfect and the voice
> that replies back to you is abit robotic, but it cracks me up to no end :) I say
> "close all programs" and my Pocket PC says "are you sure you want to close all
> programs?" I say "yes" My PocketPC says, "Closing all programs" Gut-buster:)
> I hear the iPaq will have this option as well. The Docs say that addon
> components to this program will also be available in the future.
> 7. Supposedly no button problem. I haven't had the chance to test this out but
> if its true Compaq had dam well better have fixed there issue.
>
> The only gripe I have with this HP is that it still only has the Type 1 CF Slot
> (but at least it is built in). My memory cards work and so does my new Symbol
> Wireless NIC (another great addon BTW). But my microdrive will not, nor will my
> CF Modem or older CF NIC. No a big problem but still...
> The screen seems a little tighter between the layers so I don't think the dust
> issue will crop up in this unit. (Even if Marconnely supsects some have seen it
> ;)
>
> Over all I am very impressed and I think Compaq had better be extrememly
> worried. If they haven't resolved their issues they will end up at the bottom
> favorites list. The only real advatage they will have is current customers, and
> the Sleeve/addon. I hear HP will even address this with an addon PC card option.
>
> Tough Choices, maybe not.
>
> PS, expect a new release for the new HP real Soon :)
>
> Cheers,
> -Techmaster
>





SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byMarconelly!
Posted on10/20/01 04:32 PM



> 1. 65K color screen. The screen is bright and the colors
> quite clear I think Marconnelly will even like this
> screen :).

Hmmm, strange! I read tons of reports on brighthand that this new screen not only is much darker than that on old iPaq, but also has a weird lighting problem - top of the screen is not lighted enough and has some shadows - also that right side of the screen is not as bright as left side (or vice versa)

> The screen seems a little tighter between the layers so
> I don't think the dust issue will crop up in this unit.
>(Even if Marconnely supsects some have seen it ;)

Unfortunatelly, the dust issue with new jornada is already well known and documented. Now, I'm sure not every single unit will develop this problem, but I'm not ready to gamble yet :) It's a shame as everything else is so good on this new HP, but screen matters most to me. I will probably wait for the XScale devices to come out, and hope for some killer screenz ;)





SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byAnonymous (172.165.213.241)
Posted on10/22/01 00:32 AM



Marco,

I remember reading the posts about the J568 screen being too dark and also what lighting did exist was not balanced enough across the whole screen like the iPAQ. My J568 screen had none of these problems, in fact at the highest settings it is just as bright as my iPAQ. I think for some of the cases where people say the screen is too dark, they probably have it set to 'outdoor' setting. The J568 will not brighten based on the lighting conditions, so it will stay at whatever setting it is at. It will shut off the sidelamps if it is bright enough but it will not adjust the sidelamp output based on adequate or inadequate lighting. At least on mine it doesn't. If there is a way to make it adjust automatically like the iPAQ please someone tell me how!!

Yeah, I was lucky with not getting any dust in my screen. It took Compaq 15 months to get it right, but knowing how HP fixed the flaws in the J54x series quickly after it's initial release I wouldn't be surprised if HP get's those screens sealed by the end of the year. Still faster than Compaq response. I just took back my 3600 because of dust and got a 3765 (dust free so far). The say those models are sealed but I don't buy it. These things always come out of the gate dust free for the most part and turn into snowballs month's later. The 3765 is just the 64 meg 3600 with PocketPC 2002. Why would they finally get it right with the old design? Now I can believe the 3800 is sealed since it has been modified quite a bit from the original, "while we have this opened up why don't we fix the button problem and the dust problem in one swoop and look like heroes to the PPC community!!" Gee, thanks.

Ottoman


> > 1. 65K color screen. The screen is bright and the colors
> > quite clear I think Marconnelly will even like this
> > screen :).
>
> Hmmm, strange! I read tons of reports on brighthand that this new screen not
> only is much darker than that on old iPaq, but also has a weird lighting problem
> - top of the screen is not lighted enough and has some shadows - also that right
> side of the screen is not as bright as left side (or vice versa)
>
> > The screen seems a little tighter between the layers so
> > I don't think the dust issue will crop up in this unit.
> >(Even if Marconnely supsects some have seen it ;)
>
> Unfortunatelly, the dust issue with new jornada is already well known and
> documented. Now, I'm sure not every single unit will develop this problem, but
> I'm not ready to gamble yet :) It's a shame as everything else is so good on
> this new HP, but screen matters most to me. I will probably wait for the XScale
> devices to come out, and hope for some killer screenz ;)
>





SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions new Reply to this message
Posted byajg23
Posted on11/01/01 11:17 PM



I don't see your post of the 568-specific version. I'm just trying to run PacMan or Ms PacMan and am getting a blank screen with MameCE3 PocketPC Ver 9.11...

Thanks,
Aaron


SubjectRe: New Pocket PC Opinions Reply to this message
Posted byTekhmaster
Posted on11/10/01 04:22 PM



> I don't see your post of the 568-specific version. I'm just trying to run PacMan
> or Ms PacMan and am getting a blank screen with MameCE3 PocketPC Ver 9.11...
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
Download the ARM cab file It says for the ipaq but has code to identify the J568 as well.
The autoinstaller and the web site need to be updated, maybe this weekend.


Cheers,
-Techmaster


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