What is the story with Gauntlet. Is it doable? I am a gauntlet loving freakazoid. Please tell me there is hope.

Vic

There is probably no hope. It uses one 68010 nad one 6502 processor. I think it's very difficult to make even 68000 cpu based games running at reasonable speed on todays devices, not to mention 68010.



> What is the story with Gauntlet. Is it doable? I am a gauntlet loving
> freakazoid. Please tell me there is hope.
>
> Vic
>

I enabled Marble Madness (its hardware is very similar to Guantlet's) once in MAMECE-10X. It was very slow.
Too slow to play as I recall.
I don't think I disabled the 6502 (sound CPU) back then.
Perhaps I'll revisit it for fun.
As I now understand (after reading on the mame bug reports) it is possible to disable the 6502 on Atari System 1 games, but since it also handles coin insertions, it is not possible to coin the game up... However, the workaround is to set the machine on free play via the dipswitches :)

While I'm generally quick to point out the un-feasibility
of many of the games people suggest enabling; in this case
I'm not quite as doubtful as Marconelly. These are some of
the first, and thus 'simplest', 680x0 games.
With the 6502 disabled (leaving only one 680x0 to emulate), a little underclocking, and some driver tweaks... some of the Atari Sys 1 games _may_ be "playable" (for those with a loose definition of the term) on an overclocked EM-500 or E-125 rig (and certainly on an iPaq; it should be able to handle single-680x0 games acceptably IMO)...

Darren

> There is probably no hope. It uses one 68010 nad one 6502 processor. I think
> it's very difficult to make even 68000 cpu based games running at reasonable
> speed on todays devices, not to mention 68010.
>
>
>
> > What is the story with Gauntlet. Is it doable? I am a gauntlet loving
> > freakazoid. Please tell me there is hope.
> >
> > Vic
> >
>

> I enabled Marble Madness (its hardware is very similar to Guantlet's) once in
> MAMECE-10X. It was very slow.
> Too slow to play as I recall.
> I don't think I disabled the 6502 (sound CPU) back then.
> Perhaps I'll revisit it for fun.

It MAMECE-10X crashes when I try to run Gauntlet after disabling the 6502 :(

> As I now understand (after reading on the mame bug reports) it is possible to
> disable the 6502 on Atari System 1 games, but since it also handles coin
> insertions, it is not possible to coin the game up... However, the workaround
> is to set the machine on free play via the dipswitches :)
>
> While I'm generally quick to point out the un-feasibility
> of many of the games people suggest enabling; in this case
> I'm not quite as doubtful as Marconelly. These are some of
> the first, and thus 'simplest', 680x0 games.
> With the 6502 disabled (leaving only one 680x0 to emulate), a little
> underclocking, and some driver tweaks... some of the Atari Sys 1 games _may_ be
> "playable" (for those with a loose definition of the term) on an overclocked
> EM-500 or E-125 rig (and certainly on an iPaq; it should be able to handle
> single-680x0 games acceptably IMO)...
>
> Darren

Well, I haven't yet found a way to get it to run w/o the 6502, I tried 1/2 normal clock speeds and it hung, and the video hardware is too complicated for me to understand, much less improve. So it looks dim for Gauntlet right now.

Darren

Thank you for trying, Maybe in another release something new and improved will come out for the motorola emulation. The Vic thanks you



> > I enabled Marble Madness (its hardware is very similar to Guantlet's) once in
> > MAMECE-10X. It was very slow.
> > Too slow to play as I recall.
> > I don't think I disabled the 6502 (sound CPU) back then.
> > Perhaps I'll revisit it for fun.
>
> It MAMECE-10X crashes when I try to run Gauntlet after disabling the 6502 :(
>
> > As I now understand (after reading on the mame bug reports) it is possible to
> > disable the 6502 on Atari System 1 games, but since it also handles coin
> > insertions, it is not possible to coin the game up... However, the workaround
> > is to set the machine on free play via the dipswitches :)
> >
> > While I'm generally quick to point out the un-feasibility
> > of many of the games people suggest enabling; in this case
> > I'm not quite as doubtful as Marconelly. These are some of
> > the first, and thus 'simplest', 680x0 games.
> > With the 6502 disabled (leaving only one 680x0 to emulate), a little
> > underclocking, and some driver tweaks... some of the Atari Sys 1 games _may_
> be
> > "playable" (for those with a loose definition of the term) on an overclocked
> > EM-500 or E-125 rig (and certainly on an iPaq; it should be able to handle
> > single-680x0 games acceptably IMO)...
> >
> > Darren
>
> Well, I haven't yet found a way to get it to run w/o the 6502, I tried 1/2
> normal clock speeds and it hung, and the video hardware is too complicated for
> me to understand, much less improve. So it looks dim for Gauntlet right now.
>
> Darren
>

No one has written a MIPS-ASM 68000 emulator yet, and I don't expect it to happen any time soon either.
There's room for a few more minor tweaks; but at this point
it's gonna take a Herculean effort to make any useful improvement in MAMECE's performance.

More likely scenerio is that the next generation of devices has 'nuff power to emulate the hardware used for many mid-to-late-80s arcade games in MAME.

Darren

> Thank you for trying, Maybe in another release something new and improved will
> come out for the motorola emulation. The Vic thanks you
>
>
>
> > > I enabled Marble Madness (its hardware is very similar to Guantlet's) once
> in
> > > MAMECE-10X. It was very slow.
> > > Too slow to play as I recall.
> > > I don't think I disabled the 6502 (sound CPU) back then.
> > > Perhaps I'll revisit it for fun.
> >
> > It MAMECE-10X crashes when I try to run Gauntlet after disabling the 6502 :(
> >
> > > As I now understand (after reading on the mame bug reports) it is possible
> to
> > > disable the 6502 on Atari System 1 games, but since it also handles coin
> > > insertions, it is not possible to coin the game up... However, the
> workaround
> > > is to set the machine on free play via the dipswitches :)
> > >
> > > While I'm generally quick to point out the un-feasibility
> > > of many of the games people suggest enabling; in this case
> > > I'm not quite as doubtful as Marconelly. These are some of
> > > the first, and thus 'simplest', 680x0 games.
> > > With the 6502 disabled (leaving only one 680x0 to emulate), a little
> > > underclocking, and some driver tweaks... some of the Atari Sys 1 games _may_
> > be
> > > "playable" (for those with a loose definition of the term) on an overclocked
> > > EM-500 or E-125 rig (and certainly on an iPaq; it should be able to handle
> > > single-680x0 games acceptably IMO)...
> > >
> > > Darren
> >
> > Well, I haven't yet found a way to get it to run w/o the 6502, I tried 1/2
> > normal clock speeds and it hung, and the video hardware is too complicated for
> > me to understand, much less improve. So it looks dim for Gauntlet right now.
> >
> > Darren
> >
>

> What is the story with Gauntlet. Is it doable? I am a gauntlet loving
> freakazoid. Please tell me there is hope.

The Gameboy version of gauntlet is very playable. It isn't the arcade version, but at least it is gauntlet.

Jim"Gauntlet/GauntletII freak since the original release"Coffey