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SubjectWhy do many people not like Metal Slug 4? new Reply to this message
Posted byTechrat 2004
Posted on01/13/05 10:55 PM



I remember a number of people critisizing the game, but I can't recall why they thought it was bad.
Having played it today *thru to the end* I can't say I like or hate the game, just that it seems to be mediocre...
Do people feel the same way about Metal Slug 5? I rarely play any of them, I liked 3 and X best. I have Metal Slug X for my Playstation but it doesn't seem to run in any PC emulators...





SubjectRe: Why do many people not like Metal Slug 4? new Reply to this message
Posted bySmitdogg
Posted on01/13/05 11:25 PM



> I remember a number of people critisizing the game, but I can't recall why they
> thought it was bad.
> Having played it today *thru to the end* I can't say I like or hate the game,
> just that it seems to be mediocre...
> Do people feel the same way about Metal Slug 5? I rarely play any of them, I
> liked 3 and X best. I have Metal Slug X for my Playstation but it doesn't seem
> to run in any PC emulators...
>

It think it was mainly because it's *so* mediocre and it came after part 3 which was a masterpiece, so by comparison it was and is a piece of shit.

Smitdogg

"Your search shall find fatigue instead of roms." -Team Japump



SubjectRe: Why do many people not like Metal Slug 4? new Reply to this message
Posted byProphet (RG)
Posted on01/14/05 01:23 AM



> It think it was mainly because it's *so* mediocre and it came after part 3 which
> was a masterpiece, so by comparison it was and is a piece of shit.

I think almost any game series gets mediocre after the 3rd one. And they'd have to try soooo hard to top or even match Slug 3 (or 2/X for that matter) that it's just not feasible financially these days I guess for a 2D arcade game.

-Prophet-
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SubjectWell, they could kinda succeed new Reply to this message
Posted byGila Monster
Posted on01/14/05 04:37 AM



first of all, yes, ms4 just pales in the huge shadow of ms3, i agree. second, ms4 uses just too much recycled backrounds. the games, of course, used recycled sprites too (soldiers, in every game), but still, ms4 is just super-rehashing even of ms1 backdrops. third, not much actually new stuff. enemy slugs suck balls, they dont have invulnerability time after they are hit, and that metallish system, etc, alot of small engine changes which one person pointed out perfectly - the motto of ms4 was something like "fuck these crabs and all that non-human shit, let's get back to good ol' ms1 type war!" but since they used ms3 engine, where soldiers before falling can "hog up" player's bullets (instead of ms1 where once soldier is dead, bullets fly thru the sprite) and that is the main problem, because - another bad thing - the screen "stops" for too many times! and tons of enemies constantly respawning... earlier games didn't abuse all that stuff i mentioned. plus, the music, while everybody like it, is different, the ms music was always something really cool, funny, sort of mix of orchestra and rock/metal, it even had distorted bass! ms4 has very different one, which is good, no question, but lacks "ms spirit".

and the most important thing - the game just feels "RUSHED". alot of things were left out. not much in MS4, but shitloads of cool stuff was cut out of MS5. ms5 was much better effort, though it also just SCREAMS "RUSHED!".

my opinion is - if they could sorta combine MS4+MS5 into one game, that would be something MUCH better. but instead we have two half-assed rushed titles. too bad.




SubjectRe: Why do many people not like Metal Slug 4? new Reply to this message
Posted byJimmy Bobjam
Posted on01/17/05 04:37 AM



> > It think it was mainly because it's *so* mediocre and it came after part 3
> which
> > was a masterpiece,

You're all mental. MS3 was where the whole thing went to shit, especially that interminable last level. So slow, so tedious, so much arseing around with the pathetic pistol. MS4 and MS5 aren't great, but they're both a huge improvement.



SubjectSo the majority are mental? new Reply to this message
Posted byLordEvilElmo
Posted on01/17/05 04:52 AM



Seriously, you are the only person I've heard that thinks 4 & 5 are superior to X & 3.


SubjectRe: So the majority are mental? new Reply to this message
Posted byJimmy Bobjam
Posted on01/17/05 05:53 AM



> Seriously, you are the only person I've heard that thinks 4 & 5 are superior to
> X & 3.

So you know a big bunch of wrong people. So what?

(I didn't say anything about X, by the way.)


SubjectI hate people that state oppinions as facts. NT new Reply to this message
Posted byDeath Knight
Posted on01/17/05 09:15 AM



> > Seriously, you are the only person I've heard that thinks 4 & 5 are superior
> to
> > X & 3.
>
> So you know a big bunch of wrong people. So what?
>
> (I didn't say anything about X, by the way.)
>



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SubjectRe: I hate people that state oppinions as facts. NT new Reply to this message
Posted byclem
Posted on01/17/05 11:48 AM



Metal Slug 1 is the best (IMO, so this is NOT a fact :)

clem

> > > Seriously, you are the only person I've heard that thinks 4 & 5 are superior
> > to
> > > X & 3.
> >
> > So you know a big bunch of wrong people. So what?
> >
> > (I didn't say anything about X, by the way.)
> >
>
>
>
> Gives us a kiss precious.
>



SubjectI think you're ''mental'' yourself. new Reply to this message
Posted byNerox91
Posted on01/18/05 01:34 AM



> You're all mental. MS3 was where the whole thing went to shit,

I haven't gotten the chance to play MS5 yet, but I've played MS4 and I was very disappointed with it. 2 reasons sum up why it sucks balls:

1. ''Outsourced'' to a different developer due to SNK's bankruptcy transition phase

2. Took away all the outlandish and surreal elements that the MS series had built up over the years, and hauled it all in a truck to the local dump. Aliens, Crabs, etc, gone. Back to the reused nazi soldiers from all the past games, and even more insulting, reusing backgrounds from even MS1.

> especially that
> interminable last level. So slow, so tedious, so much arseing around with the
> pathetic pistol.

You obviously don't know how to play MS, you don't just free play and continue-every-10-seconds-cause-you-can't-even-kill-a-puny-soldier your way through the game, you gotta learn how to survive, how the fuck do you think Rambo lasted his ass for 3 movies?

Its your opinion though. But I still think MS4 is absolute trash...




SubjectRe: I think you're ''mental'' yourself. new Reply to this message
Posted byJimmy Bobjam
Posted on01/18/05 06:58 AM



> 1. ''Outsourced'' to a different developer due to SNK's bankruptcy transition
> phase

That doesn't automatically make it bad.

> 2. Took away all the outlandish and surreal elements that the MS series had
> built up over the years, and hauled it all in a truck to the local dump. Aliens,
> Crabs, etc, gone. Back to the reused nazi soldiers from all the past games, and
> even more insulting, reusing backgrounds from even MS1.

Can't say I missed the aliens. I thought of MS4 as a welcome return to the Metal Slug roots.



> You obviously don't know how to play MS, you don't just free play and
> continue-every-10-seconds-cause-you-can't-even-kill-a-puny-soldier your way
> through the game, you gotta learn how to survive, how the fuck do you think
> Rambo lasted his ass for 3 movies?

I'm a bit confused by that last line. But I know perfectly well HOW to play MS3 - go incredibly slowly, take two steps then spend five minutes shooting everything 50 times with your dismally-underpowered pistol because there are far more enemies than your decent weapons have ammo for, then take two more steps and do it again, and again and again and again. It's perfectly possible, it's just *incredibly fucking boring*. That wasn't the sort of gameplay that made me love the Metal Slug games in the first place, whereas the speedier, more fun style of MS4 and MS5, much closer to the first one, is.


SubjectRe: I think you're ''mental'' yourself. Reply to this message
Posted byGila Monster
Posted on01/18/05 09:54 AM



> I'm a bit confused by that last line. But I know perfectly well HOW to play MS3
> - go incredibly slowly, take two steps then spend five minutes shooting
> everything 50 times with your dismally-underpowered pistol because there are far
> more enemies than your decent weapons have ammo for, then take two more steps
> and do it again, and again and again and again. It's perfectly possible, it's
> just *incredibly fucking boring*. That wasn't the sort of gameplay that made me
> love the Metal Slug games in the first place, whereas the speedier, more fun
> style of MS4 and MS5, much closer to the first one, is.

i always considered it to be otherwise. i play ms3 "speedy" way myself... but "stop and consantly respawn" spots in ms4 are present in a much bigger numbers




SubjectRe: well I think the best of the series is... new Reply to this message
Posted byLooker
Posted on01/19/05 03:05 PM



Metal slug X, the game is just pure class, oozes quality and is closely followed by the first.

Its always the same though, the first defines the series, the sequel tweaks it and adds what should have been in the first. After that further sequels are always going to struggle. How do you improve what you did before without changing the game completely?

Out of curiosity does anyone have a clue to when 4 and 5 are going to be added to mame? I would play them in the arcades but have never seen one anywhere


SubjectRe: well I think the best of the series is... new Reply to this message
Posted byProphet (RG)
Posted on01/19/05 03:52 PM



> Metal slug X, the game is just pure class, oozes quality and is closely followed
> by the first.
>
> Its always the same though, the first defines the series, the sequel tweaks it
> and adds what should have been in the first. After that further sequels are
> always going to struggle. How do you improve what you did before without
> changing the game completely?

I agree. Sometimes the 3rd game in a series is good, but after that usually it's just milking a franchise and the creative spark is gone.

> Out of curiosity does anyone have a clue to when 4 and 5 are going to be added
> to mame? I would play them in the arcades but have never seen one anywhere
>

Dunno. Especially since Haze and much of MAMEdev are very negative toward the neogeo (and cps2) driver. I also understand how hard it is to actually see those games in an arcade, I never have. It depends on what country you're in, some countries still have many Neos, others have nearly none.

Best advice, buy a neo and the games, or compile your own builds. ;)

-Prophet-
www.retrogames.com


SubjectRe: well I think the best of the series is... new Reply to this message
Posted by[Haze]
Posted on01/19/05 03:59 PM



> Metal slug X, the game is just pure class, oozes quality and is closely followed
> by the first.
>
> Its always the same though, the first defines the series, the sequel tweaks it
> and adds what should have been in the first. After that further sequels are
> always going to struggle. How do you improve what you did before without
> changing the game completely?
>
> Out of curiosity does anyone have a clue to when 4 and 5 are going to be added
> to mame? I would play them in the arcades but have never seen one anywhere
>

when we feel there is minimal risk of including them. SNK still list them as 'current games' so it doesn't seem like a good idea at this point.

the company who made metal slug 4 are clearly aware of Mame as their PC 'ports' of neogeo games are actually a hacked copy of Mame with disc protection added, the amusing part is they left NVRam files from other games such as sailor moon on some of their cds too.

If they'd actually asked and credited Mame (assuming they have a proper SNK license) I doubt we wouldn't really have minded them using it too much (or at least I wouldn't), not sure why they felt they had to hack it up but then again it is a korean company, and the majority of korean arcade games are unlicensed hacks.

We're not going to take action against game companies, however since they are clearly aware of Mame adding it when its still listed as current doesn't seem wise.

I believe 4 5 were released as a pack on the xbox (not a very good example of the series, 3 x would have been better) but anyway, maybe you can pick those up, I imagine they'll be perfect ports with some extras.

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SubjectNo 4 & 5 were released on the PS2 new Reply to this message
Posted byTechrat 2004
Posted on01/19/05 08:53 PM



Metal Slug 3 was sold on the XBOX because Sony were too cheap and they didn't want 1 game to be sold for $40...
Metal Slug 4 & 5 will be sold for $40, not a bad price for 2 games!
KOF2002/KOF2003 will be sold for $40 as well, so was KOF2000/2001, but I lucked out on it and got it for $15 at Toys 'R Us *discontinued.*





SubjectRe: well I think the best of the series is... new Reply to this message
Posted byJimmy Bobjam
Posted on01/20/05 04:23 AM



> Best advice, buy a neo and the games, or compile your own builds. ;)

Mm. goatse.cx might be an interesting word to Google, for example.


SubjectRe: No 4 & 5 were released on the PS2 new Reply to this message
Posted byRoushiMSX
Posted on01/21/05 06:21 AM



Metal Slug 3 was released for PS2 in Japan/Asia but not in US/Europe because Sony wouldn't allow them to release it without double packing it in with another game (similar to KoF). They felt a single 2d game didn't have enough 'value' in today's market.

That's why they ported it over to Xbox and released THAT in the US.

the port of 4 is out in Japan/Asia and it's a totally bare bones port. None of the excellent extras that the port of 3 had. I don't really expect them to do much with 5, so chances are you'll be getting what you pay for when you buy the 4&5 disc.

Metal Slug 4 comes out for Xbox in Japan on Feb 24th according to Play Asia, and Metal Slug 5 doesn't have a release date for any consoles yet.





SubjectMy bad. new Reply to this message
Posted byTechrat 2004
Posted on01/21/05 08:43 PM



> Metal Slug 3 was released for PS2 in Japan/Asia but not in US/Europe because
> Sony wouldn't allow them to release it without double packing it in with another
> game (similar to KoF). They felt a single 2d game didn't have enough 'value' in
> today's market.

My bad. I forgot it was released overseas...

>
> That's why they ported it over to Xbox and released THAT in the US.
>
> the port of 4 is out in Japan/Asia and it's a totally bare bones port. None of
> the excellent extras that the port of 3 had. I don't really expect them to do
> much with 5, so chances are you'll be getting what you pay for when you buy the
> 4&5 disc.
>
> Metal Slug 4 comes out for Xbox in Japan on Feb 24th according to Play Asia, and
> Metal Slug 5 doesn't have a release date for any consoles yet.
>
>
>
Well I'd be happy to have both @ $40. I don't think 2 games for $40 is a 'bad' deal...
Although if I could snag them for $15 like I did with KOF2000/2001, I'd not be complaining...





SubjectMS3 PS2 in Europe new Reply to this message
Posted byonevurfedgwrx
Posted on01/25/05 03:23 PM



Metal Slug 3 was released on both Xbox and PS2 as a standalone game in Europe for a budget price. Only recent release of a 2d game that had differences in the format is that SF2 Hyperfighting on PS2 was just SF2HF, whereas the Xbox one had SFIII:3rd Impact included.


SubjectYup, dunno why Capcom did that -nt- ? new Reply to this message
Posted byJohnick
Posted on01/30/05 08:26 PM



> Metal Slug 3 was released on both Xbox and PS2 as a standalone game in Europe
> for a budget price. Only recent release of a 2d game that had differences in
> the format is that SF2 Hyperfighting on PS2 was just SF2HF, whereas the Xbox one
> had SFIII:3rd Impact included.
>




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SubjectRe: So the majority are mental? new Reply to this message
Posted byFakester
Posted on01/31/05 10:13 PM



I find MS3 really irritating. I prefer 5. But then, the first Slug is my favorite.

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