> You can't blame it all on the Moderators!
> Yes they lose their poise now and then, but they do their best, but can't do
> everything that will please everyone! Hey, we can remove all the rules and the
> bans and open everything back up and see how well everything goes with no
> Moderators!

Yes, let's do that. What's the WORST thing that could happen? Some people would argue occasionally in the Debate Central folder (in which, ironically, no debate is currently allowed). Oh no! Disaster! End of the world! People are arguing a bit in a forum set aside for arguing! Panic!

You know as well as we do there's no need for moderation of VP Forums at all, except in the event of a DOS attack or similar. The "moderators" of VP Forums have achieved NOTHING other than to tear the community apart with their absurd petty rule-making and powermongering. The same thing happened over at Fruit Forums, almost causing the whole fruit-machine-emulation scene to collapse under the weight of acrimony, until finally everyone decided to make the forums unmoderated. They community has conspicuously failed to implode since then, because rather than festering away destructively, any differences are argued about and then forgotten. There are still some locked releases - more than there are in VP - and a lot of people still hate the idea, but the issue doesn't cause the vicious crap it does with VP, because no-one's views are suppressed and people who disagree with the "party line" are still allowed and able to contribute positive things to the community. People argue it out occasionally, it burns itself out naturally, and everyone agrees to disagree and gets on with making fruit machines.

Sadly, I suspect the egos of the VPF mods are too out-of-control to ever allow this to happen. Come to Retrogames forums, folks.

> Everything is not about the rules...
> it's about pinball.

The irony of this in the context of what's happened with Getaway is pretty hilarious. A perfectly legitimate mod, swamped in petty rule-carping by mods and repeatedly deleted from IRPinball for no reason.

> Stop the gripes and continue your tables!

Excellent point! I'm sure THAT will persuade him!

NS.