PD, if you're so willing to let go of the playfield image that you got from KidC and cleaned up for use in his version of Dr. Who, why don't you? From what i understood of your posts, part of the conflict was the fact that you didn't want to not use the images that you got from KidC in the first place. Because you felt like you had a right to them.. I'm sure you know that, getting source images is part of the work when it comes to VP table development. the point alot of people are trying to make which you can't seem to let go of is the one that it's KidC who got the original source images that you cleaned up in the first place. Sure it's a williams flyer scan. but without someone scanning in the image to make it available digitally, that's all it is.. i believe KidC's point was that, he got someone to scan the flyer in for him. and it's his "scan" to do with as he wishes. and if that means not allowing someone to use it for other purposes, then he's free to do that.. What's so hard to understand about that? The fact that you keep blabbering on and on about how it's williams' copyright and whatever else is just your point of view. there are other ways to look at the situation, and yours isn't the be all and end all of the discussion.