> This is probably my last post regarding PacDude's so called banning on vpforums.
> I don't really pay any attention to what he posts or any of the tables he has
> created. Can't say as I've ever played any of them.

So then you don't know what the heck you're talking about now do you? People used to beg me to work on more pins than just Addams Family and Twilight Zone, but I wanted to see ProPinball type QUALITY, not just brush up a few things here and there. Only more recently (the past 8 months or so) I've started upgrading other tables as TAF and TZ have become close to ProPinball quality.

> Any time that he makes people mad enough in the vpforums to get one of his
> threads deleted or moved he always comes here and

And what people are you referring to? I've seen a handful of people including yourself that don't like my opinions on various issues. Everyone else has either not cared or has been supportive.

>does his song and dance about
> being a victim. If nobody else spoke up you would

Well where should I post when I've been banned from posting on VPForums, praytell? Should I just pack up my bags and say the hell with VP? That might make you happy since you don't give a crap about modern pins, but you are in the minority.

> Well I'm affraid you're only getting half the story.
>His half. The reason the

Actually, no one hardly ever gets to see the "other half" because the moderators don't post reasons half the time for their actions, even though they claim they're supposed to.

> Nearly everyone will agree that he is
> good at what he does and his skills are valuable to the VP community, but his
> lack of respect for other people is highly destructive to the community. I'm not

What lack of respect? I've never released any mods of tables without permission. NOT ONCE. I've always given credit for work provided by other people in the revision history notes and/or Table Info Author section.

In this Dr. Who case, it was KC who first disrespected *me* by claiming credit for ramps he judged to be his based on a picture and then proceeded to start an argument. KC is a moderator. BJ did something similar in another thread in the past.

Even so, I'm already talking to KC again in private. He's apologized for attacking my WIP thrad in public and I've apologized for my responses there. We're very close to working this out, which I give him a lot more credit for now than some of the other staff at VPForums. We have very differing viewpoints on mods, ownership of images, etc., but that doesn't mean it's impossible for us to get along "professionally" so-to-speak. The whole David Lee Roth / Sammy Hagar thing comes to mind (having seen the VH-1 special on their tour together recently). They're nothing alike, but they get along better (they can at least tolerate each other enough to go on tour) than either of them gets along with the rest of Van Halen these days.

> saying he's the only person that causes problems but the whole modding issue and
> lack of cooperation and trust has caused many good

Lack of cooperation? I've worked with some of the best VP table and script authors out there and I've had no trouble with 90% of them. KC and Joep are the only real exceptions and neither had personal cause for their attitudes (I had never flamed either one or released any mods without their permission). Even so that didn't stop Joep from giving me permission to work on Diner when I asked.

Right now I'm working with wpcmame via e-mail on several table upgrades. Lack of cooperation? Right. Half the tables I've worked on (13+) have involved cooperation.

> up on VP. Even the developers of VP have had enough. The primary author has
> split the scene completely and the co-author is likely to let the current
> release die when it expires, and not release another

And you're trying to pin that on *me*? Give me a break. Even Black doesn't seem to know what happened to Randy or why. As for Black, well he had nothing to do with that thread other than his annoucement in it, which I still tend to think is just laying the groundwork for selling VP if he gets the chance. Nothing selse makes any sense because that thread had NOTHING to do with him.

> a few dozen of the toy box pins left. The sad thing is you think success is
> based not on quality but quantity. Everyone rushes

See my first statement in this thread. Few people care MORE about QUALITY than me, which is why my attention to detail is downright anal. If you had actually downloaded TAF, TZ, or any other number of tables and looked at the before and after versions you'd see the huge improvements in quality and gameplay. But then since you don't care about modern pins in general, you wouldn't care if you did.

out to download the latest
> crappy recreation of a Stern game that's covered with plastic dolls and toys and

Stern? I've never worked on a Stern game. Other than Rocky & Bullwinkle (DataEast), everything I've worked on has been Bally/Williams, which has always been a couple of grades above the rest for the most part.

> think they're getting a quality game. Boring. Real pins don't need toys or
> gimmicks, and you don't have to spend all your time

Now you're insulting an entire generation of pinball games. I could just as easily say that EMs and early SS games are obscenely EASY by comparison and have very little to do that isn't entirely repetitive. But who cares? Some people love pinball for different reasons and I don't expect people to agree.