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Posted byPinball Ken
Posted on12/02/02 02:43 AM

> > Well, this is what I posted in the VPForums, and 24hrs later Debate Central
> went
> > off the air ...
> >
> > QUOTE:
> >
> > I'm not exactly a fan of PacDude ...
> I would never have guessed that attitude from your replies to my table release
> threads. Love the work, but dislike the person eh PK?
> >here. Let Kid Charlemagne give
> > retrospective permission for PacDude to use the Time Expander in Krellan's
> > version of the table, and stop carping at modders.
> Retrospective? I've never released the table so it's not retrospective
> permission that's needed. And I've already worked things out with KC and he has
> given me his OK now to use the images in question. It's funny how we've worked
> things out but the ban persists. He admitted all he got was a warning, which
> shows unequal moderation practices, not to mention they didn't follow their own
> warning/reason rule (I still don't know why my posting privleges have been
> banned). Ironically, it's KC who now says he's going to try and straighten it
> out. I have to give him credit there.
> >Let PacDude return on the
> > understanding he thinks about people first over pinball, and stops thinking
> he's
> > God's gift to Visual Pinball.
> God's gift to Visual Pinball? LOL. I'm aware of my table build quality, but I
> hardly thing I've ever come across as egotistical about my work. Having a
> strong opinion on various issues does not neccessarily equate to an egotistical
> attitude. I always listen to feedback and I normally try to implement any
> reasonable suggestions (certain flipper settings not-withstanding) and my tables
> are always OPEN and FREE TO MOD. I think you've enjoyed the openness by being
> able to change any number of settings by your own admission PK. I would have
> thought you would appreciate that.
> > underlying message too. My 2 cents is to believe that your passion for pinball
> > has overidden your feelings for others and what they want. That extends all
> the
> > way from Randy and Black to lately Fuseball. You've a
> Fuseball? What the heck have I done to Fuseball? This is all news to me. I
> asked permission to update TOTAN and CV and he gladly gave it. He in fact
> seemed to love my TOTAN update. I don't EVER recall having any problems or even
> slightly negative words between him and myself. He and I probably get along
> better than any other authors, although lately wpcmame and I have been working a
> lot together (I just got a T2 script update from him yesterday).
> As for Randy, I haven't talked to him in like over 6 months and I don't recall
> EVER having any hard words with him. Black is another story, but Black has an
> attitude problem sometimes (just look back at when he bit Paratech's head off
> just because Paratech said he didn't think Stein's Jetsons table "was that
> great." I mean I'm talking about death threats here over a SLIGHTLY negative
> comment. He said he didn't care if he got banned over it and instead someone
> gave him super moderator status???? That's the LAST thing I would have done.
> I mean I appreciate his work on VP, but look what he's doing lately. He's
> threatening to just let VP6 expire and leave. I'd call that holding the entire
> community hostage with that threat. Sure, he doesn't owe us to work on VP, but
> that's just plain heartless. The very least he could do is give VP6 no
> expiration date if he's going to leave the scene. Better yet, he could hand it
> over to someone talented he trusts to continue working on it.
> My suspicion lies along the lines of him wanting to sell it to a corporation
> (that would likely change it to something less difficult to use and therefore
> render it incompatible with the current versions). Thus, all ties to the
> current version would have to be cut sooner or later in such a scenerio. The
> main reason I suspect this is because he stated in another thread a few weeks
> earlier that he had corporate buyers looking at VP and it would likely go
> commercial or at least shareware in the future and that he "had his own plans
> for VP" (this mentioned AFTER he said he hadn't heard from Randy in months). I
> think that's some pretty strong proof that something fishy is going on and it's
> not just because I pissed him off by arguing with KC over a table. That doens't
> even make sense. He then deleted his own comments soon after as "off topic."
> >great knack of swamping
> > others' work in your quest for the perfect pintable, but there're some other
> > great authors out there too. Don't ever forget that, PacDude, otherwise you're
> going to be treading a long lonely path.
> I consider every author whose table I've ever worked on to be "great authors"
> otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with their tables. I generally only try to
> "perfect" HIGH QUALITY tables to begin with. If they weren't high quality, it
> would have been easier to start over. I simply try to bring these tables up to
> TZ or near TZ standards and I fully recognize I did NOT make TZ alone. It was
> already a pretty good quality table when I started working on it with Dorsola.
> It's near perfect now, but even so wpcmame deserves most of the credit for the
> current script.
No, I don't dislike you! Read through what I've said again.

Actually I've been trying to get you reinstated, cos I think the moderators' action has been less than equal here.


PS I'm also very glad you've patched things up with Kid Charlemagne now.

Entire Thread
Subject  Posted byPosted On
*Banned Again  PacDude11/27/02 01:09 AM
.*Re: Banned Again  VmprHntrD12/14/02 09:16 PM
.*HeeHee  Paratech12/01/02 09:41 PM
.*Get a load of this  Paratech12/01/02 09:32 PM
..*Wonders Never Cease ; Let's go party Paratech! :)  PacDude12/02/02 09:12 PM
.*Re: Banned Again  Pinball Ken12/01/02 02:58 AM
..*Re: Banned Again  PacDude12/01/02 08:06 AM
....Re: Banned Again  Pinball Ken12/02/02 02:43 AM
.*Food for thought  Paratech11/30/02 00:43 AM
.*Re: Banned Again  GottliebVPGD11/30/02 00:15 AM
..*Re: Banned Again  PacDude11/30/02 10:20 PM
...*Re: Banned Again  GottliebVPGD12/01/02 00:29 AM
.*Re: Banned Again  (bd)lio11/28/02 10:08 AM
..*Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part I)  PacDude11/29/02 01:29 AM
...*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part I)  Ken211/29/02 02:25 PM
....*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part I)  AussiePin11/29/02 06:24 PM
.....*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part I)  PacDude11/29/02 07:37 PM
...*Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part II)  PacDude11/29/02 01:34 AM
....*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  PacDude11/29/02 01:45 AM
.....*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  AussiePin11/29/02 06:02 AM
......*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  ewmboard11/30/02 03:34 AM
.......*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  AussiePin11/30/02 05:48 AM
.....*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  SkalarVPMX11/29/02 03:29 AM
......*Re: Let's clear up the misconceptions (Part III Final)  PacDude11/29/02 05:57 AM
.*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/27/02 05:30 AM
..*Re: Banned Again  PacDude11/27/02 11:53 PM
...*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/28/02 05:06 AM
....*Re: Banned Again  pinballmaniac11/28/02 09:55 PM
.....*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/29/02 05:51 AM
.*Re: Banned Again  GottliebVPGD11/27/02 02:20 AM
..*Re: Banned Again  pinballmaniac11/28/02 09:40 PM
..*Re: Banned Again  PacDude11/27/02 02:59 AM
...*Re: Banned Again  GottliebVPGD11/28/02 01:16 AM
....*Re: Banned Again  PacDude11/28/02 11:55 PM
.*Re: Banned Again  queldor11/27/02 01:44 AM
..*Re: Banned Again  JanK11/29/02 11:14 AM
...*Re: Banned Again  SaintGeorge11/29/02 03:36 PM
...*Re: Banned Again  Emkaah11/29/02 01:06 PM
....*Re: Banned Again  Ken211/29/02 02:12 PM
.....*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/29/02 06:12 PM
......*Re: Banned Again  Emkaah11/30/02 08:39 AM
.......*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/30/02 06:18 PM
........*Re: Banned Again  Emkaah12/01/02 11:46 AM
.........*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin12/01/02 05:37 PM
......*Re: Banned Again  PacDude11/29/02 07:29 PM
.......*Re: Banned Again  nicolas.b11/30/02 06:39 PM
.......*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin11/30/02 05:52 AM
........*Re: Banned Again  PacDude12/01/02 08:26 AM
.........*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin12/01/02 05:40 PM
..........*Re: Banned Again  nicolas.b12/02/02 10:55 AM
...........*Re: Banned Again  AussiePin12/02/02 05:33 PM
............*You have to love hypocrites... or do you?  PacDude12/02/02 08:52 PM
.............*Re: You have to love hypocrites... or do you?  kristian12/02/02 09:34 PM
............*Re: Banned Again  nicolas.b12/02/02 07:06 PM
............*Re: Banned Again  Emkaah12/02/02 06:36 PM
............*Re: Banned Again  Paratech12/02/02 05:47 PM
........*Re: Banned Again  Pinball Ken12/01/02 02:44 AM