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SubjectVP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted by_Parallax_
Posted on12/02/02 00:04 AM



Are we no longer allowed to voice our opinions on matters now at VPF?




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byParatech
Posted on12/02/02 00:13 AM



> Are we no longer allowed to voice our opinions on matters now at VPF?
>
No, Black might quit, a moderators feelings might be hurt, the world might end. What do you think? That a forum is aplace to hold discussions? Screw that! LOL A forum is a place to worship coders, blindly follow those in power, and to get every table that can be emulated....
*sheesh* discuss 'touchy' or 'sensative' issues on a public forum...why the nerve of it... ;)

The new and improved King of Lamers 2002!

Addendum

"There will be no "pontificating, posturing, soapboxing and fingerpointing" tolerated here. Also, this isn't a bitch, whine, piss and moan" forum. Any post/reply that fits into the above catagories and/or goes against the forum guidelines will be deleted and offender(s) disciplined accordingly."

Please explain the above, what it means you can/cannot say, how that helps the community, and what you've contributed that justifies said rules?

Thanks.


SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bySaintGeorge
Posted on12/02/02 01:22 AM



> Are we no longer allowed to voice our opinions on matters now at VPF?
>
Why is that only the people that don't contribute at all over at vpforums are the ones that do all the moaning and bitching? Those are the ones that should shut the fuck up and enjoy the fact that there are people that spend hundreds and hundreds of hours building tables and share their work with everyone. The 'community' was founded and developed by people that love pinball and love recreating them not by little bitches complaining about their freedom of speech.

I hope they get rid of all the whiny fuckers because they bring nothing to the community except dissension. Somebody provides them with a place to get the latest news and tables (for free mind you) and they do nothing but shit on it. Wankers.


SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted by_Parallax_
Posted on12/02/02 01:27 AM



Gee, from the impression Im getting, if we talk about subjects that the mods dont like or goes against the rules (such as getting on a so called "soapbox" and speaking your mind), you'll get banned from posting and you will be subject to "further disciplinary action". Sheesh, from what I've read, you cant even defend yourself without getting in $hite.

We'd better just shut up, go sit in a corner and do exactly what mommy and daddy tell us to do.




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byParatech
Posted on12/02/02 01:57 AM



Strange, I thought I've coded two tables from scratch and provided scans, feedback, and support for the community?
I'm not a 'saint' *guess you are?* but I'm bothered when 'free speech' is threatened...Even free speech of people I disagree with...

The new and improved King of Lamers 2002!


SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byewmboard
Posted on12/02/02 05:00 AM



> Gee, from the impression Im getting, if we talk about subjects that the mods
> dont like or goes against the rules (such as getting on a so called "soapbox"
> and speaking your mind), you'll get banned from posting and you will be subject
> to "further disciplinary action". Sheesh, from what I've read, you cant even
> defend yourself without getting in $hite.
>
> We'd better just shut up, go sit in a corner and do exactly what mommy and daddy
> tell us to do.

You're catching on. I don't actually know why everyone complains about all the rules at VPForums. There's only ONE rule at VPForums, and it isn't even written down anywhere:

"Say anything at all that Kinsey or Black decide not to like, even if it doesn't contravene a single one of the stated conditions, and you'll be instantly banned without warning or explanation, no matter how much you may have previously contributed to the community, no matter how much you may have been provoked by one of the chosen 'elite' who can do what they want without penalty."

It's pretty simple to follow.

Kristian will be next to get "the treatment". Mark these words.




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byAussiePin
Posted on12/02/02 05:06 AM




> Why is that only the people that don't contribute at all over at vpforums are
> the ones that do all the moaning and bitching? Those are the ones that should
> shut the fuck up and enjoy the fact that there are people that spend hundreds
> and hundreds of hours building tables and share their work with everyone. The
> 'community' was founded and developed by people that love pinball and love
> recreating them not by little bitches complaining about their freedom of speech.
>
> I hope they get rid of all the whiny fuckers because they bring nothing to the
> community except dissension. Somebody provides them with a place to get the
> latest news and tables (for free mind you) and they do nothing but shit on it.
> Wankers.
>
R I G H T__O N__B R O T H E R !!!!!!!!!!!
Although some of the contributers bitch and moan too.




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byAussiePin
Posted on12/02/02 05:27 AM



How much simpler can I make it for you "freespeech freaks"?
VPF rules... Like 'em or lump 'em.
If you want freespeech go see your member of parliment.
When you enter the VPF you agree to follow the rules right?? right??
The rules are set down by AJ (who owns the server it's on BTW) He has appointed a group of ADMINS to oversee what happens on those forums.
I have not seen AJ complain about how those ADMINS are doing that job SO, this says to me that he APPROVES of the rules and how they're applied.
Your in AJ's house and you follow HIS rules or your shown the door. YOUR FREESPEECH DOESN'T APPLY!!!!
I haven't seen anything that says you can do or say what you like on the VPF.
LIVE WITH IT PEOPLE or GO AWAY.
Sitting in here and crying isn't going to change a thing.
You'll all get arthritis from typing and it will still be the same.
SHEESH It's like banging your head against a brick wall and then complaining about how your getting a headache while STILL banging you head.




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byewmboard
Posted on12/02/02 05:37 AM



> When you enter the VPF you agree to follow the rules right?? right??
> The rules are set down by AJ

Six months later, I'm still waiting to hear which rule I apparently broke to get banned the last time. (Clue: It was the unwritten one.)

And as for letting it lie - no-one posts on this forum for weeks at a time. You and Gottlieb are the ones who come on here starting gratuitous threads in a childish attempt to kick off fights. It's touching that you obviously miss me so much, but I really can't be bothered.




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byAussiePin
Posted on12/02/02 08:26 AM





> Six months later, I'm still waiting to hear which rule I apparently broke to get
> banned the last time. (Clue: It was the unwritten one.)

LOL
Unwritten rule # 3: Thou shalt not be a twat.
Unfortunatly you were born that way.
You have always got and will always get exactly what you deserve.





SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bynicolas.b
Posted on12/02/02 11:12 AM



nicky, i'm sure you must be thrilled right now...

YOURS and alex m's actions arguably necessitated a whole extra level of discipline and rules earlier this year...

pacdude's banning and the demise of the DEBATE forum are simply side-effects of the moderators getting all uptight and losing their sense of judgement...

as childish as it sounds, i blame YOU... your only skills when it comes to controversy are to fan flames and to rabble-rouse... not ONCE did i ever see you make a remotely compassionate statement about anyone or anything outside yourself... not ONCE did i see you try to be a decent human being with anyone who wasn't an abject admirer of yours...

you are WINNING... perhaps you have even WON, especially if black has walked off in frustration!

HAIL TO THE VICTOR! MAY YOUR SPOILS BE SWEET!

(yes, this is an extremely imprudent email but i'm feeling all wound up and agitated... probably just being an idiot, but...)




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bykristian
Posted on12/02/02 02:44 PM



Someone at VPForums informed me about this post.

> Kristian will be next to get "the treatment". Mark these > words.

Hmm, interesting Nicky. And for doing exactly _what_?
If you know something that I don't, feel free to drop me an email (kristiantanner@hotmail.com).

I think this whole thing is just hilarious. Looks like small people want to feel powerful and are trying to find some excitement and joy to their otherwise dull, meaningless and miserable life.

I have no slighest clue of the reason why they're going to "get me banned", but I know almost ALL most prolific VPM table authors and get along with them quite well. If they're going to ban be, they will eventually have to ban every single one of them. So let's see what happens.

Relax kids. ;)


SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bymojo39
Posted on12/02/02 09:18 PM







> nicky, i'm sure you must be thrilled right now...
>
> YOURS and alex m's actions arguably necessitated a whole extra level of
> discipline and rules earlier this year...
>
> pacdude's banning and the demise of the DEBATE forum are simply side-effects of
> the moderators getting all uptight and losing their sense of judgement...
>
> as childish as it sounds, i blame YOU... your only skills when it comes to
> controversy are to fan flames and to rabble-rouse... not ONCE did i ever see you
> make a remotely compassionate statement about anyone or anything outside
> yourself... not ONCE did i see you try to be a decent human being with anyone
> who wasn't an abject admirer of yours...
>
> you are WINNING... perhaps you have even WON, especially if black has walked off
> in frustration!
>
> HAIL TO THE VICTOR! MAY YOUR SPOILS BE SWEET!
>
> (yes, this is an extremely imprudent email but i'm feeling all wound up and
> agitated... probably just being an idiot, but...)
>





SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bynicolas.b
Posted on12/02/02 09:36 PM



my god mojo, that was classic!

laughing too hard to stay mad at anybody...! :D




SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted bymojo39
Posted on12/02/02 09:44 PM



The timing seemed just too right to let it go =)



my god mojo, that was classic!
>
> laughing too hard to stay mad at anybody...! :D
>





SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? Reply to this message
Posted byPacDude
Posted on12/03/02 00:06 AM



> > Are we no longer allowed to voice our opinions on matters now at VPF?
> >
> Why is that only the people that don't contribute at all over at vpforums are

You mean like yourself, oh self-appointed Saint? Those of us that have spend THOUSANDS of hours working on VP tables know when someone like yourself is peddling the fecis of a bull.

> the ones that do all the moaning and bitching? Those are the ones that should
> shut the fuck up and enjoy the fact that there are people that spend hundreds
> and hundreds of hours building tables and share their work with everyone. The

Yeah, I would fall into that decription, although it's thousands of hours at this point in the game. TAF alone was hundreds of hours.

> I hope they get rid of all the whiny fuckers because

Again, he talks about himself....amazing.

they bring nothing to the
> community except dissension. Somebody provides them

What else would you call this colorfully worded rant of yours?






SubjectRe: VP Forums Cracking down? new Reply to this message
Posted byPacDude
Posted on12/03/02 00:44 AM



> Are we no longer allowed to voice our opinions on matters now at VPF?
>


Well some people are apparently. This is what TiltJP said in the Staff Forum about me and this Retrogames forum:

"IMO, PD is only a self serving glory hound who runs off at the mouth with repeated and stale announcements either about how wonderful he had and how nobody appreciates or understands him."

He also said this:

"So, as others have say in other ways, like it or lump it. If you want to focus on Pinball, stay here and let's discuss Pinball. If you want to whine and cry and tell the world how unfair AJ's Rules are, go over to retrogames with the other lamers and leeches and whiners and asses, and leave this forum for what it was and is intended for, Pinball."


It's nice to see that not only is TiltJP allowed to posturize and fingerpoint in the very thread that says he cannot do such things, but also outright flame me (when I cannot even defend myself since I can't post there) and get away with it. Why? Because his view is the moderator view and that's the ONLY view you're allowed to have there now. He clearly broke the rules and Kinsey is actually laughing there about his remarks. Again, the moderators are allowed to behave like children, but everyone else isn't even allowed to disagree with them anymore without being banned, edited or having your thread closed.

MrHide spoke up for me and the entire Debate Forum was deleted along with his post. He spoke up for me again in that thread and BJ edited his post so you couldn't see one word of his (claiming he made false accusations against the moderation). Well if they're so false why are they so afraid to let people see it and judge for themselves? They let TiltJP slander me and everyone over here as, "lamers and leeches and whiners and asses."

While I haven't always like Nicky's behavior, I have to agree with what he said about the unwritten rule. Piss off someone like Black, Kinsey, BJ or Plumb and you're gone. You don't have to do anything wrong to piss them off either. Kinsey regularly closes threads because she doesn't like what's being said or she claims to take offense or in the case of the debate thread because she felt like it. There is no rhyme, reason or logic. They've got the "power" there and they like to flaunt it.


I've had people message me now and say they agree with me, but they're so afraid that Black might discontinue VP that they'd have to go along with ANYTHING Black demands at VPForums (at least until they find a replacment for Black). Now that is terror.

I couldn't give a crap about Black's threats for VP. VP6 is quite good (and easy to extend by either setting your date back or a quick hack) and unless something bad has happened to Randy, he will show up again and unlike Black he is a respectful and nice guy that doesn't play those games (he said he wouldn't leave us high and dry before).




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