I remember all too well that Shiva and Apoc were as hypocritical and self-centred as anyone at VPF (back when they were at VPF).

You'd simply be creating an accident waiting to happen.

New forums are what's needed, I have a few contacts on the fruit machine emulation scene who might be able to set something up, maybe an Ikonboard (a proper one, not the silly MyIkonboard thing) or vBulletin board.

As a temporary fix maybe the webmaster at Fruit Forums (www.fritforums.com - my "home" scene) would set up a VP section, he's a sound guy and runs a good ship, and most of the guys there are into VP anyway (I've burned about 50 CD sets) - although I haven't even asked him about this yet so don't take that as a given.

Failing that, even something as simple as MSN can work fairly well if organised properly.

The main point here is that we need uncensored, effectively unmoderated forums where people can talk openly like adults without fear of arbitrary reprisal.

> > I haven't looked lately to see who all runs IRPinball,
> > so I don't know whether they'd be at all hostile to still using their upload
> > section until someone like Canisa picks it up
>
> They obviously would, since they only recently changed the Upload section to
> prevent people just uploading things there publicly. Now as soon as anything is
> uploaded it is removed again until it can be "vetted".
>
> You also only have to look at Jay's postings on this very forum to see which
> side his bread is buttered with regard to anyone considered "undesirable" at
> VPF.
>
> As I've said, I don't think Shivasite is the solution, as it's infected with the
> exact same disease as VPF, just at a less advanced stage. But it's a moot point
> since, as you say, me and my views aren't included in the invitation anyway.
>