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Subjectrepost - moved from neogeo forums: Idea on rombegging new Reply to this message
Posted byGundam_W
Posted on11/04/01 10:15 PM



Why doesn't rg change the links on the main page to all point to the forum index.
In the forum index at the top & bottom post in large letters: No Rombegging In The Main Forums.

But also create a forum strictly for rom requests, with the caption of only posting for rom requests there.

I can see why rg doesn't want rom requests in the main forums as for all the crap that can flood a regular forum, but having a place to send them could also help (besides goatse, but that is another issue).


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Subjectwell... new Reply to this message
Posted byTerminal_Vertex
Posted on11/05/01 02:31 AM



Flooding a regular forum is not their concern, i think it has more to do with the legality of roms, although having something that stated *why* they can't answer rom requests would surely help, instead of giving people the cold shoulder. If someone can't find a rom (of the type that are usually asked for here) they aren't going to be smart enough to know the goings on of Retrogames and the even bigger wigs, further up the chain of command.

-Terminal_Vertex

"Getting People to do what you want is merely a matter of telling them what they want to hear."


Subjecthow about.. new Reply to this message
Posted byObsal33t
Posted on11/05/01 02:38 AM



someone sets up there own board for rom links and beggers..
Cause im sure as hell the mods dont want to encourage beggers
This way we can all direct them to the beggers forum on another site. Gets them out of our hair




SubjectRe: how about.. new Reply to this message
Posted byTerminal_Vertex
Posted on11/05/01 03:24 AM



> someone sets up there own board for rom links and beggers..
> Cause im sure as hell the mods dont want to encourage beggers
> This way we can all direct them to the beggers forum on another site. Gets them
> out of our hair
>
Site do exist, but would RG link to them?
It's best if they aren't assosciated at all with roms in anyway, linking to a forum that has to do with them would cause trouble for them (most probably).

By having nothing at all to do with roms, it is one less hassle for everyone working here and for ZTnet.

Also, having links to offsite forums means they could lose vistors and that means less money, something i'm sure they don't want to lose.

But, i'm not a rep, i don't work for ZT so i could be wrong.

Perhaps there will be an offical response...

Also, you call them beggers, they are hardly filthy, poor people.
Have some respect for your common man, all they did was ask a question (i also think that title should be changed to something such as no rom requests).

If someone were to ask for an emulator, would they be emu begging?

or a website, site begging?

How many people after initially being told to "BUGGER OFF, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" do it again? If they did, they would prolly begin to whine, grovel, beg etc... then you could class them as beggers

But who would unless they really enjoyed punishment?

-Terminal_Vertex

"Getting People to do what you want is merely a matter of telling them what they want to hear."


SubjectAs for the legal parts new Reply to this message
Posted byGundam_W
Posted on11/05/01 11:33 PM



As for the legal parts, if you hadn't heard about it, very recently a judge removed an injuction that prevented sites from linking to other sites with questionable content, until it can be proven that linking to another site IS illegal.

Another thing, ztnet hosts mame.net & cps2shock, well guess what?

Mame.net & CPS2Shock are both violiating the DMCA and could get ztnet is a shit load of trouble, very much so more trouble than just linking to emuchina or ace roms or any of the other major rom sites.

Also, the forums violiate the DMCA act and could also get rg/ztnet in a deep load of shit.

So why not have a forum to allow people to ask/answer about gets roms?


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SubjectRe: As for the legal parts new Reply to this message
Posted byTerminal_Vertex
Posted on11/06/01 02:56 AM



> As for the legal parts, if you hadn't heard about it, very recently a judge
> removed an injuction that prevented sites from linking to other sites with
> questionable content, until it can be proven that linking to another site IS
> illegal.
>
> Another thing, ztnet hosts mame.net & cps2shock, well guess what?
>
> Mame.net & CPS2Shock are both violiating the DMCA and could get ztnet is a shit
> load of trouble, very much so more trouble than just linking to emuchina or ace
> roms or any of the other major rom sites.
>
> Also, the forums violiate the DMCA act and could also get rg/ztnet in a deep
> load of shit.
>
> So why not have a forum to allow people to ask/answer about gets roms?
>
>
> Got Anime?
>
No i didn't hear about the injunction, i take it this was in america?

Even though the judged ruled favourably, it is not the be-all and end-all of it... a different case could produce a different result. Also, who were the parties involved in this case? another thing, if it is proven (that the linking is illegal) then ZT will have even more trouble on their hands.

Aah, the DMCA... you make some pretty bold statements there. What sections specifically do you believe they are breaking (sites and forums)? (i'm assuming the copyright stuff) but i've only read bits and pieces of the DMCA, so i won't comment just yet.

you seemed to imply that a rom requests forum would get them im trouble, but seeing as how they're already in trouble why bother? is that wat you meant?

If they already are in trouble then i'm sure they wouldn't want to make it worse.

-Terminal_Vertex

"Getting People to do what you want is merely a matter of telling them what they want to hear."


SubjectRe: As for the legal parts new Reply to this message
Posted byGundam_W
Posted on11/06/01 07:59 AM



The case is about the DeCSS program.

Also, anything that talks about or shows information about copyprotection has become illegal in the USA because of an unjust law that got passed called the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).



> > As for the legal parts, if you hadn't heard about it, very recently a judge
> > removed an injuction that prevented sites from linking to other sites with
> > questionable content, until it can be proven that linking to another site IS
> > illegal.
> >
> > Another thing, ztnet hosts mame.net & cps2shock, well guess what?
> >
> > Mame.net & CPS2Shock are both violiating the DMCA and could get ztnet is a
> shit
> > load of trouble, very much so more trouble than just linking to emuchina or
> ace
> > roms or any of the other major rom sites.
> >
> > Also, the forums violiate the DMCA act and could also get rg/ztnet in a deep
> > load of shit.
> >
> > So why not have a forum to allow people to ask/answer about gets roms?
> >
> >
> > Got Anime?
> >
> No i didn't hear about the injunction, i take it this was in america?
>
> Even though the judged ruled favourably, it is not the be-all and end-all of
> it... a different case could produce a different result. Also, who were the
> parties involved in this case? another thing, if it is proven (that the linking
> is illegal) then ZT will have even more trouble on their hands.
>
> Aah, the DMCA... you make some pretty bold statements there. What sections
> specifically do you believe they are breaking (sites and forums)? (i'm assuming
> the copyright stuff) but i've only read bits and pieces of the DMCA, so i won't
> comment just yet.
>
> you seemed to imply that a rom requests forum would get them im trouble, but
> seeing as how they're already in trouble why bother? is that wat you meant?
>
> If they already are in trouble then i'm sure they wouldn't want to make it
> worse.
>
> -Terminal_Vertex
>
> "Getting People to do what you want is merely a matter of telling them what they
> want to hear."
>


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SubjectRe: As for the legal parts new Reply to this message
Posted byTerminal_Vertex
Posted on11/06/01 11:16 AM



> The case is about the DeCSS program.
>
> Also, anything that talks about or shows information about copyprotection has
> become illegal in the USA because of an unjust law that got passed called the
> DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).
I'm sorry, you misunderstood me, i know what the DMCA is, i also know about the SSSCA, what i am interested in knowing was what specific parts of the DMCA you believe CPS2shock, mame.net and the forums are breaking.

-Terminal_Vertex

"Getting People to do what you want is merely a matter of telling them what they want to hear."


SubjectRe: As for the legal parts new Reply to this message
Posted byGundam_W
Posted on11/06/01 08:50 PM



I already did.

Mame.net & CPS2Shock has information on how to break the copyprotection in games, that violates the dmca.


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Subjectwell... Reply to this message
Posted byTerminal_Vertex
Posted on11/06/01 09:47 PM



> I already did.
>
> Mame.net & CPS2Shock has information on how to break the copyprotection in
> games, that violates the dmca.
>
>
> Got Anime?
>
by specific parts i mean, do you believe they are violating chapter 12 of the DMCA (for example) and if so what parts of it etc..etc..

-Terminal_Vertex

"Practice makes perfect, but obsession makes better."


SubjectRe: well... new Reply to this message
Posted byGundam_W
Posted on11/07/01 07:57 PM



Well, I am no lawyer, but my understanding of the DMCA is that it is illegal to provide information on breaking copyprotection and that is what those sites do.

If you think I am wrong, please prove me wrong.


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SubjectRoms are bad johnny, very bad new Reply to this message
Posted byIbbo
Posted on12/17/01 07:46 PM



isos are very good though...

Are ya going to the opera tonight?


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